Sadly the witch doctors of our culture have no idea about real morality....they do know about the codes associated with the DSM-IV. What a perfect expression of 'higher education'! All too few can make the connection between vital impulses like sex and emotion and thought let alone anything spiritual.
On Apr 9, 6:45 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > If there is anyone reading this that honestly thinks that sex with > children is in any way acceptable my advise is RUN to the nearest > shrink and get help. If the reasons aren't obvious, stay a very long > time. But the question about adults shagging anything hot and ready - > is it immoral or just vulgar - that is a good one. > > On Apr 9, 1:40 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Why for example is sex with a minor immoral? > > > Minors overwhelmingly lack the experience to make the right judgment > > calls. It's taking unfair advantage of them. It's FEELS wrong. The > > whole idea sickens me. > > > dj > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:27 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Then may I respectfully suggest that you have not thought deeply > > > enough on the reasons why the majority of us proclaim the killing of a > > > human by another immoral. > > > > Why for example is sex with a minor immoral? > > > > On 8 Apr, 12:14, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I don't see any gray area here. Kids used to be considered property > > >> of their parents by law so didn't get the legal benefit of self nor > > >> are they expected to conduct themselves as well as adults. They get a > > >> break. When an adult has committed a heinous crime and their is a > > >> reasonable assumption that they will repeat the behavior I see no > > >> reason to allow them to continue to breath. I don't know if I could do > > >> it myself or not but I certainly wouldn't have a problem with the > > >> State doing the job. Nor would I shed a tear if someone else took him > > >> out. Some folks just need killing. > > > >> dj > > > >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:40 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > > >> > Hey Don, > > > >> > Now I'm know that Chris is going to object strongly here but meh, > > >> > people are diffeant which makes the world a whole lot of fun as far as > > >> > I'm concerend. > > > >> > I think if we question more deeply why the majority find that the > > >> > killing of a human by another human immoral, we'll propably find that > > >> > it has a whole lot to do with ownership. > > > >> > Ownership of mind and body. Who owns my Self? Me and only me, it is > > >> > immoral to kill me for any reasons soley because to commit such an act > > >> > elevates somebody elses wishes above my own in regard to what to do > > >> > with my Self. > > > >> > The fact that I have had sex (okay we all realise that this is an > > >> > example and not an admission) with a young boy of 6, does not negate > > >> > my ownership of my Self. > > > >> > In addition one of the reasons that such paedophilia is considered > > >> > immoral (and rape also) is prescily because the very act itself > > >> > elevates somebody elses whish above that of the victim. > > > >> > If we find that is immoral then killing for any reason must also be. > > >> > To declare otherwise is hypocritical in the extreame. > > > >> > On 8 Apr, 06:34, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> How about the poedophile, who may seduce an unsuspecting mind but may > > > >> >> > not have actually " forced " sex upon a child ? > > > >> >> I thought of this also when I saw the word 'incest' used. I quickly > > >> >> surmised Michael was referring to adults only. Children don't know > > >> >> what's good for them and that's why we have laws against sex with > > >> >> children. There aren't a lot of people willing to argue this law > > >> >> except maybe NAMBLA. As far as I know; incest in general isn't > > >> >> against he law. It is certainly taboo, as it should be, but not > > >> >> unlawful. If it's not immoral, it is unwise and risky IMO. > > >> >> Definitely socially unacceptable in a way that homosexuality clearly > > >> >> isn't. > > > >> >> Someone said killing someone is immoral. Not in all cases I would > > >> >> say. What if the person being killed is the person that molested your > > >> >> child and just proclaimed their intent to do it again? It would be > > >> >> almost immoral not to kill the bastard. > > > >> >> dj > > > >> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Vamadevananda > > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > How about the poedophile, who may seduce an unsuspecting mind but > > >> >> > may > > >> >> > not have actually " forced " sex upon a child ? > > > >> >> > On Apr 7, 7:34 pm, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> Is morality only what we feel is good for us? Or is there a > > > >> >> >> > greater good to consider? > > > >> >> >> Who here thinks that sexual "immorality," like homosexuality or > > >> >> >> incest, is immoral? I present the point because I think it beyond > > >> >> >> obvious that neither is, nor is any brand of sexual > > >> >> >> "immorality" (except for things like forced sex, which is immoral > > >> >> >> not > > >> >> >> because it has anything to do with sex but because it has to do > > >> >> >> with > > >> >> >> coercion) but obviously many people in this world disagree. > > > >> >> >> On Apr 7, 10:24 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > I doubt that many people would see loan interest as immoral. > > >> >> >> > Yet you > > >> >> >> > see it this way because it goes against what you feel is good for > > >> >> >> > you. Is morality only what we feel is good for us? Or is there > > >> >> >> > a > > >> >> >> > greater good to consider? > > > >> >> >> > On Apr 7, 2:55 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > Frayed knot is an interesting way of putting it. > > > >> >> >> > > I think society is more immoral than moral. I think most > > >> >> >> > > people agree that > > >> >> >> > > killing some one is wrong. My problem with morality is when > > >> >> >> > > some one > > >> >> >> > > charges excessive interest like in credit cards (my wife and I > > >> >> >> > > have one -- > > >> >> >> > > and it is for emergencies only -- then immediately paid off ) > > >> >> >> > > justifying > > >> >> >> > > this as sound business when in reality to me it seems like > > >> >> >> > > this greed is a > > >> >> >> > > way of slowly killing some one, or Like ( i do have a very > > >> >> >> > > good health > > >> >> >> > > insurance.) when I ended up in the hospital a few years back > > >> >> >> > > in the USA and > > >> >> >> > > the bill exceeded $8,000. for 24 hour stay.. basically to get > > >> >> >> > > my heart beat > > >> >> >> > > stabilized and watched. I saw 2 doctors for a total of 10 > > >> >> >> > > minutes.. > > >> >> >> > > If I did not have insurance i would have an huge medical bill > > >> >> >> > > and to pay it > > >> >> >> > > I would have had to take food of my table to pay the bill. To > > >> >> >> > > me if a person > > >> >> >> > > is forced to pay an excessive amount to cover a bill cutting > > >> >> >> > > back on normal > > >> >> >> > > expenses to pay it,, the hospital is killing that person. > > > >> >> >> > > or by charging excessive rent.. or a myriad of other ways of > > >> >> >> > > killing some > > >> >> >> > > one legally .. the slower the better.. > > > >> >> >> > > On my savings account I am paid a meager 2.6 % but if I want > > >> >> >> > > to borrow money > > >> >> >> > > I have to pay 9.8% If I depended upon that interest for my > > >> >> >> > > living again > > >> >> >> > > corporate greed would be killing me.. and this difference is > > >> >> >> > > immoral yet it > > >> >> >> > > is easily justified as business. > > > >> >> >> > > I think people many people only want to appear to be moral > > >> >> >> > > yet at the same > > >> >> >> > > time want to use business or corporations to hide their > > >> >> >> > > immorality. > > > >> >> >> > > The only conclusion I can reach is people prefer to be > > >> >> >> > > immoral. Just talking > > >> >> >> > > the talk not walking the walk of morality. > > > >> >> >> > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Molly Brogan > > >> >> >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > Evil reconciled to good? Frayed knot! > > > >> >> >> > > > On Apr 5, 10:18 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> > > > > Why is evil always so hard to nail down or why does it > > >> >> >> > > > > seem that no > > >> >> >> > > > > one really wants to identify it but simply dissect the > > >> >> >> > > > > potentiality of > > >> >> >> > > > > what it may define. You don't consider anything on the > > >> >> >> > > > > video as evil > > >> >> >> > > > > but do recognize it as bad, horrifying and obscene, which > > >> >> >> > > > > basically > > >> >> >> > > > > covers the face of evil, but rather bypass evil > > >> >> >> > > > > representation to > > >> >> >> > > > > bring attention to religious aspects, which by the way I > > >> >> >> > > > > agree with > > >> >> >> > > > > 100%, don't burn your steak here. The dark ages are still > > >> >> >> > > > > upon us > > >> >> >> > > > > brother and while technology creates a vision of > > >> >> >> > > > > advancement, > > >> >> >> > > > > attitudes and behaviours create a different picture, the > > >> >> >> > > > > picture of > > >> >> >> > > > > reality, of good and of evil. I feel we must somehow find > > >> >> >> > > > > resolve in > > >> >> >> > > > > the issue of what is evil. We have here a collection of > > >> >> >> > > > > brilliant > > >> >> >> > > > > minds, myself excluded lol, and so we can somehow be > > >> >> >> > > > > assertive in our > > >> >> >> > > > > resolve. I find too many threads wind up as fray ends. > > >> >> >> > > > > Which reminds > > >> >> >> > > > > me of a thread that walked into a bar, the bartender said > > >> >> >> > > > > "we don't > > >> >> >> > > > > serve threads", so the thread walked out, shredded out > > >> >> >> > > > > it's end and > > >> >> >> > > > > tied itself into a loop, walked back into the bar, the > > >> >> >> > > > > bartender > > >> >> >> > > > > noticed and immediately and irately said, "damn, I told > > >> >> >> > > > > you we don't > > >> >> >> > > > > serve threads in here", the thread responded "I'm not a > > >> >> >> > > > > thread" at > > >> >> >> > > > > which the bartender scowled, "you are so" and so the > > >> >> >> > > > > thread having the > > >> >> >> > > > > last word said "nope, I'm a frayed knot". > > > >> >> >> > > > > On Apr 5, 12:26 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > > > Thanks Slip. I don't really consider what is going on > > >> >> >> > > > > > in the video > > >> >> >> > > > > > and what it represents as evil. It is bad, it is > > >> >> >> > > > > > horrifying, it is > > >> >> >> > > > > > obscene, but it is also no more than religion battling > > >> >> >> > > > > > it's fiercest > > >> >> >> > > > > > foe -- education and enlightenment. On the other hand, > > >> >> >> > > > > > religion > > >> >> >> > > > > > considers education and enlightenment evil -- the work > > >> >> >> > > > > > of the devil. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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