Don, in my opinion, the taboo against incest no longer is valid. Before there were services and practices that could circumvent, prevent, or resolve incestuous pregnancies, it was a valid taboo. Those circumstances no longer exist so there is no valid reason to ban incest. Besides, in reality incest is widely practiced throughout the world.
On Apr 7, 10:34 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > How about the poedophile, who may seduce an unsuspecting mind but may > > > not have actually " forced " sex upon a child ? > > I thought of this also when I saw the word 'incest' used. I quickly > surmised Michael was referring to adults only. Children don't know > what's good for them and that's why we have laws against sex with > children. There aren't a lot of people willing to argue this law > except maybe NAMBLA. As far as I know; incest in general isn't > against he law. It is certainly taboo, as it should be, but not > unlawful. If it's not immoral, it is unwise and risky IMO. > Definitely socially unacceptable in a way that homosexuality clearly > isn't. > > Someone said killing someone is immoral. Not in all cases I would > say. What if the person being killed is the person that molested your > child and just proclaimed their intent to do it again? It would be > almost immoral not to kill the bastard. > > dj > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > How about the poedophile, who may seduce an unsuspecting mind but may > > not have actually " forced " sex upon a child ? > > > On Apr 7, 7:34 pm, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Is morality only what we feel is good for us? Or is there a > > >> > greater good to consider? > > >> Who here thinks that sexual "immorality," like homosexuality or > >> incest, is immoral? I present the point because I think it beyond > >> obvious that neither is, nor is any brand of sexual > >> "immorality" (except for things like forced sex, which is immoral not > >> because it has anything to do with sex but because it has to do with > >> coercion) but obviously many people in this world disagree. > > >> On Apr 7, 10:24 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > I doubt that many people would see loan interest as immoral. Yet you > >> > see it this way because it goes against what you feel is good for > >> > you. Is morality only what we feel is good for us? Or is there a > >> > greater good to consider? > > >> > On Apr 7, 2:55 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > Frayed knot is an interesting way of putting it. > > >> > > I think society is more immoral than moral. I think most people agree > >> > > that > >> > > killing some one is wrong. My problem with morality is when some one > >> > > charges excessive interest like in credit cards (my wife and I have > >> > > one -- > >> > > and it is for emergencies only -- then immediately paid off ) > >> > > justifying > >> > > this as sound business when in reality to me it seems like this greed > >> > > is a > >> > > way of slowly killing some one, or Like ( i do have a very good health > >> > > insurance.) when I ended up in the hospital a few years back in the > >> > > USA and > >> > > the bill exceeded $8,000. for 24 hour stay.. basically to get my > >> > > heart beat > >> > > stabilized and watched. I saw 2 doctors for a total of 10 minutes.. > >> > > If I did not have insurance i would have an huge medical bill and to > >> > > pay it > >> > > I would have had to take food of my table to pay the bill. To me if a > >> > > person > >> > > is forced to pay an excessive amount to cover a bill cutting back on > >> > > normal > >> > > expenses to pay it,, the hospital is killing that person. > > >> > > or by charging excessive rent.. or a myriad of other ways of killing > >> > > some > >> > > one legally .. the slower the better.. > > >> > > On my savings account I am paid a meager 2.6 % but if I want to borrow > >> > > money > >> > > I have to pay 9.8% If I depended upon that interest for my living again > >> > > corporate greed would be killing me.. and this difference is immoral > >> > > yet it > >> > > is easily justified as business. > > >> > > I think people many people only want to appear to be moral yet at the > >> > > same > >> > > time want to use business or corporations to hide their immorality. > > >> > > The only conclusion I can reach is people prefer to be immoral. Just > >> > > talking > >> > > the talk not walking the walk of morality. > > >> > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > Evil reconciled to good? Frayed knot! > > >> > > > On Apr 5, 10:18 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > Why is evil always so hard to nail down or why does it seem that no > >> > > > > one really wants to identify it but simply dissect the > >> > > > > potentiality of > >> > > > > what it may define. You don't consider anything on the video as > >> > > > > evil > >> > > > > but do recognize it as bad, horrifying and obscene, which basically > >> > > > > covers the face of evil, but rather bypass evil representation to > >> > > > > bring attention to religious aspects, which by the way I agree with > >> > > > > 100%, don't burn your steak here. The dark ages are still upon us > >> > > > > brother and while technology creates a vision of advancement, > >> > > > > attitudes and behaviours create a different picture, the picture of > >> > > > > reality, of good and of evil. I feel we must somehow find resolve > >> > > > > in > >> > > > > the issue of what is evil. We have here a collection of brilliant > >> > > > > minds, myself excluded lol, and so we can somehow be assertive in > >> > > > > our > >> > > > > resolve. I find too many threads wind up as fray ends. Which > >> > > > > reminds > >> > > > > me of a thread that walked into a bar, the bartender said "we don't > >> > > > > serve threads", so the thread walked out, shredded out it's end and > >> > > > > tied itself into a loop, walked back into the bar, the bartender > >> > > > > noticed and immediately and irately said, "damn, I told you we > >> > > > > don't > >> > > > > serve threads in here", the thread responded "I'm not a thread" at > >> > > > > which the bartender scowled, "you are so" and so the thread having > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > last word said "nope, I'm a frayed knot". > > >> > > > > On Apr 5, 12:26 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > Thanks Slip. I don't really consider what is going on in the > >> > > > > > video > >> > > > > > and what it represents as evil. It is bad, it is horrifying, it > >> > > > > > is > >> > > > > > obscene, but it is also no more than religion battling it's > >> > > > > > fiercest > >> > > > > > foe -- education and enlightenment. On the other hand, religion > >> > > > > > considers education and enlightenment evil -- the work of the > >> > > > > > devil. > > >> > > > > > On Apr 4, 2:05 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for the video gruff, it was overwhelmingly sad but very > >> > > > > > > enlightening as to the seriousness and the dilemma of these > >> > > > > > > people. > >> > > > It > >> > > > > > > takes me back over to the other thread, Does Evil Exist. One > >> > > > > > > only > >> > > > > > > needs to watch this video for the answer. > > >> > > > > > > On Apr 4, 3:38 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > Here is a good reason for moral behavior -- call it what you > >> > > > > > > > like > >> > > > (we > >> > > > > > > > are our brother's keeper, the golden rule, do unto others, > >> > > > > > > > etc.) -- > >> > > >http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/02/22/world/asia/1194838044017/cl... > > >> > > -- > >> > > ( > >> > > ) > >> > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
