"...Some folks just need killing. " - DJ For once, I fully agree with you Don!
On Apr 8, 4:14 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't see any gray area here. Kids used to be considered property > of their parents by law so didn't get the legal benefit of self nor > are they expected to conduct themselves as well as adults. They get a > break. When an adult has committed a heinous crime and their is a > reasonable assumption that they will repeat the behavior I see no > reason to allow them to continue to breath. I don't know if I could do > it myself or not but I certainly wouldn't have a problem with the > State doing the job. Nor would I shed a tear if someone else took him > out. Some folks just need killing. > > dj > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:40 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hey Don, > > > Now I'm know that Chris is going to object strongly here but meh, > > people are diffeant which makes the world a whole lot of fun as far as > > I'm concerend. > > > I think if we question more deeply why the majority find that the > > killing of a human by another human immoral, we'll propably find that > > it has a whole lot to do with ownership. > > > Ownership of mind and body. Who owns my Self? Me and only me, it is > > immoral to kill me for any reasons soley because to commit such an act > > elevates somebody elses wishes above my own in regard to what to do > > with my Self. > > > The fact that I have had sex (okay we all realise that this is an > > example and not an admission) with a young boy of 6, does not negate > > my ownership of my Self. > > > In addition one of the reasons that such paedophilia is considered > > immoral (and rape also) is prescily because the very act itself > > elevates somebody elses whish above that of the victim. > > > If we find that is immoral then killing for any reason must also be. > > To declare otherwise is hypocritical in the extreame. > > > On 8 Apr, 06:34, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> How about the poedophile, who may seduce an unsuspecting mind but may > > >> > not have actually " forced " sex upon a child ? > > >> I thought of this also when I saw the word 'incest' used. I quickly > >> surmised Michael was referring to adults only. Children don't know > >> what's good for them and that's why we have laws against sex with > >> children. There aren't a lot of people willing to argue this law > >> except maybe NAMBLA. As far as I know; incest in general isn't > >> against he law. It is certainly taboo, as it should be, but not > >> unlawful. If it's not immoral, it is unwise and risky IMO. > >> Definitely socially unacceptable in a way that homosexuality clearly > >> isn't. > > >> Someone said killing someone is immoral. Not in all cases I would > >> say. What if the person being killed is the person that molested your > >> child and just proclaimed their intent to do it again? It would be > >> almost immoral not to kill the bastard. > > >> dj > > >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > > >> > How about the poedophile, who may seduce an unsuspecting mind but may > >> > not have actually " forced " sex upon a child ? > > >> > On Apr 7, 7:34 pm, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Is morality only what we feel is good for us? Or is there a > > >> >> > greater good to consider? > > >> >> Who here thinks that sexual "immorality," like homosexuality or > >> >> incest, is immoral? I present the point because I think it beyond > >> >> obvious that neither is, nor is any brand of sexual > >> >> "immorality" (except for things like forced sex, which is immoral not > >> >> because it has anything to do with sex but because it has to do with > >> >> coercion) but obviously many people in this world disagree. > > >> >> On Apr 7, 10:24 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > I doubt that many people would see loan interest as immoral. Yet you > >> >> > see it this way because it goes against what you feel is good for > >> >> > you. Is morality only what we feel is good for us? Or is there a > >> >> > greater good to consider? > > >> >> > On Apr 7, 2:55 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > Frayed knot is an interesting way of putting it. > > >> >> > > I think society is more immoral than moral. I think most people > >> >> > > agree that > >> >> > > killing some one is wrong. My problem with morality is when some > >> >> > > one > >> >> > > charges excessive interest like in credit cards (my wife and I have > >> >> > > one -- > >> >> > > and it is for emergencies only -- then immediately paid off ) > >> >> > > justifying > >> >> > > this as sound business when in reality to me it seems like this > >> >> > > greed is a > >> >> > > way of slowly killing some one, or Like ( i do have a very good > >> >> > > health > >> >> > > insurance.) when I ended up in the hospital a few years back in the > >> >> > > USA and > >> >> > > the bill exceeded $8,000. for 24 hour stay.. basically to get my > >> >> > > heart beat > >> >> > > stabilized and watched. I saw 2 doctors for a total of 10 minutes.. > >> >> > > If I did not have insurance i would have an huge medical bill and > >> >> > > to pay it > >> >> > > I would have had to take food of my table to pay the bill. To me if > >> >> > > a person > >> >> > > is forced to pay an excessive amount to cover a bill cutting back > >> >> > > on normal > >> >> > > expenses to pay it,, the hospital is killing that person. > > >> >> > > or by charging excessive rent.. or a myriad of other ways of > >> >> > > killing some > >> >> > > one legally .. the slower the better.. > > >> >> > > On my savings account I am paid a meager 2.6 % but if I want to > >> >> > > borrow money > >> >> > > I have to pay 9.8% If I depended upon that interest for my living > >> >> > > again > >> >> > > corporate greed would be killing me.. and this difference is > >> >> > > immoral yet it > >> >> > > is easily justified as business. > > >> >> > > I think people many people only want to appear to be moral yet at > >> >> > > the same > >> >> > > time want to use business or corporations to hide their immorality. > > >> >> > > The only conclusion I can reach is people prefer to be immoral. > >> >> > > Just talking > >> >> > > the talk not walking the walk of morality. > > >> >> > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Molly Brogan > >> >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > Evil reconciled to good? Frayed knot! > > >> >> > > > On Apr 5, 10:18 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > > Why is evil always so hard to nail down or why does it seem > >> >> > > > > that no > >> >> > > > > one really wants to identify it but simply dissect the > >> >> > > > > potentiality of > >> >> > > > > what it may define. You don't consider anything on the video as > >> >> > > > > evil > >> >> > > > > but do recognize it as bad, horrifying and obscene, which > >> >> > > > > basically > >> >> > > > > covers the face of evil, but rather bypass evil representation > >> >> > > > > to > >> >> > > > > bring attention to religious aspects, which by the way I agree > >> >> > > > > with > >> >> > > > > 100%, don't burn your steak here. The dark ages are still upon > >> >> > > > > us > >> >> > > > > brother and while technology creates a vision of advancement, > >> >> > > > > attitudes and behaviours create a different picture, the > >> >> > > > > picture of > >> >> > > > > reality, of good and of evil. I feel we must somehow find > >> >> > > > > resolve in > >> >> > > > > the issue of what is evil. We have here a collection of > >> >> > > > > brilliant > >> >> > > > > minds, myself excluded lol, and so we can somehow be assertive > >> >> > > > > in our > >> >> > > > > resolve. I find too many threads wind up as fray ends. Which > >> >> > > > > reminds > >> >> > > > > me of a thread that walked into a bar, the bartender said "we > >> >> > > > > don't > >> >> > > > > serve threads", so the thread walked out, shredded out it's end > >> >> > > > > and > >> >> > > > > tied itself into a loop, walked back into the bar, the bartender > >> >> > > > > noticed and immediately and irately said, "damn, I told you we > >> >> > > > > don't > >> >> > > > > serve threads in here", the thread responded "I'm not a thread" > >> >> > > > > at > >> >> > > > > which the bartender scowled, "you are so" and so the thread > >> >> > > > > having the > >> >> > > > > last word said "nope, I'm a frayed knot". > > >> >> > > > > On Apr 5, 12:26 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > Thanks Slip. I don't really consider what is going on in the > >> >> > > > > > video > >> >> > > > > > and what it represents as evil. It is bad, it is horrifying, > >> >> > > > > > it is > >> >> > > > > > obscene, but it is also no more than religion battling it's > >> >> > > > > > fiercest > >> >> > > > > > foe -- education and enlightenment. On the other hand, > >> >> > > > > > religion > >> >> > > > > > considers education and enlightenment evil -- the work of the > >> >> > > > > > devil. > > >> >> > > > > > On Apr 4, 2:05 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > > Thanks for the video gruff, it was overwhelmingly sad but > >> >> > > > > > > very > >> >> > > > > > > enlightening as to the seriousness and the dilemma of these > >> >> > > > > > > people. > >> >> > > > It > >> >> > > > > > > takes me back over to the other thread, Does Evil Exist. > >> >> > > > > > > One only > >> >> > > > > > > needs to watch this video for the answer. > > >> >> > > > > > > On Apr 4, 3:38 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > > > Here is a good reason for moral behavior -- call it what > >> >> > > > > > > > you like > >> >> > > > (we > >> >> > > > > > > > are our brother's keeper, the golden rule, do unto > >> >> > > > > > > > others, etc.) -- > >> >> > > >http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/02/22/world/asia/1194838044017/cl... > > >> >> > > -- > >> >> > > ( > >> >> > > ) > >> >> > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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