Arguing is also subject to definition and point of view :-) In the context of this discussion, I would define argument as, expressing different points of view.
peace & Love On Apr 29, 6:13 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > im not sure we are arguing...i know im im not...although i could be > considered stupid i presume > > On Apr 28, 9:14 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Definition and/or point of view fuel all arguments. (sometimes stupid > > gets involved:-)) > > > peace & Love > > > On Apr 28, 8:51 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > hmmmm....it doesnt seem so > > > > On Apr 28, 8:46 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I am going to be prejudice and single out bias as simply meaning a > > > > judgement imposed. > > > > > I am kidding, not interested in the continuance of a discussion based > > > > on a word that we all know and understand the meaning of. > > > > > On Apr 28, 5:28 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You are heading for the right direction with the prefixation of your > > > > > biases. In your terms, of course. > > > > > > On 28 Apr., 22:08, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Ornamental has summed it up nicely. I am biased towards a nice cut > > > > > > of > > > > > > rare Ahi Tuna. Is that a bad thing? Bias carries such a negative > > > > > > connotation because there have been so many victims of it...but even > > > > > > then, we don't think of all of them, do we? How many people have you > > > > > > chosen not to date, because you did not find them attractive? Look, > > > > > > a > > > > > > multitude of victims of bias! > > > > > > > Substitute then the word 'preference', and see how that tastes. > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Even though it appears you are asking someone else, I'll chime in > > > > > > > since I pointed it out... > > > > > > > The notion of good/bad does not have to enter into it. It can and > > > > > > > apparently you are doing so. I would posit that this is the case > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > about everything. > > > > > > > And, taking it a tad further, looking at just the first > > > > > > > definition: > > > > > > > >http://www.onelook.com/?w=bias&ls=a > > > > > > > > IF one considers having an objective consideration of an issue or > > > > > > > situation to be important, then one could say that being biased is > > > > > > > 'bad'...since it prevents such a state. > > > > > > > > There are common idioms that do give the term the spin you > > > > > > > apparently > > > > > > > have taken on...it is not necessary nor the only way to > > > > > > > think/talk/ > > > > > > > write. In fact, for clarity, one would want to explore much > > > > > > > deeper. > > > > > > > > And, again IF you are talking about USA media when you say > > > > > > > 'news'....of course one will come up with opinion rather than any > > > > > > > possiblity of objectivity! That has been the case for a few > > > > > > > decades > > > > > > > now, sadly. I seldom if ever listen to the 'news'...it has > > > > > > > degenerated > > > > > > > into infotainment at best. > > > > > > > > When you ask about 'ones determination of the validity or > > > > > > > truthfulness > > > > > > > of another persons words, without any previous notion, alliance or > > > > > > > prejudice..", it sounds like you are quoting from a dictionary, > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > you? Regardless, such a situation is so rare as to be almost never > > > > > > > found...at least that is how I see it. > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:58 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> then i presume being biased could be considered a good thing? > > > > > > >> because > > > > > > >> everbody has opinions. i was under the impression that it > > > > > > >> referred to > > > > > > >> a negative or non-objective slant on something, but from what > > > > > > >> you are > > > > > > >> indicating, being biased could also be considered a positive > > > > > > >> thing. is > > > > > > >> this correct? i mean, i have heard someone saying 'well, im > > > > > > >> biased, > > > > > > >> but after all he is my kid'. maybe ive been oversaturated with > > > > > > >> the way > > > > > > >> it used on the news! ;-^( ...on the other hand, a simple opinion > > > > > > >> about > > > > > > >> something, say ones determination of the validity or > > > > > > >> truthfulness of > > > > > > >> another persons words, without any previous notion, alliance or > > > > > > >> prejudice, imo, could not be considered bias, but just an > > > > > > >> opinion. > > > > > > >> what say? > > > > > > > >> On Apr 28, 9:13 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > Yes! Bias and Opinion are synonyms. :) > > > > > > > >> > 2009/4/28 e_space <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > >> > > ok...so everyone that has an opinion is biased? > > > > > > > >> > > On Apr 27, 10:29 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> "i see...so either u dont have any opinions or your > > > > > > >> > >> biased...right? " > > > > > > >> > >> - e-s > > > > > > > >> > >> No, by definition an opinion is subjective and thus a > > > > > > >> > >> bias...based > > > > > > >> > >> upon one's past. > > > > > > > >> > >> On Apr 27, 5:36 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >> > i see...so either u dont have any opinions or your > > > > > > >> > >> > biased...right? > > > > > > > >> > >> > On Apr 27, 5:57 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > >> > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >> > > "...unless stating an opinion could be considered > > > > > > >> > >> > > biased. ..." - e-s > > > > > > > >> > >> > > Well, yes, you could say that that is the case. In > > > > > > >> > >> > > fact, it IS the > > > > > > >> > >> > > case. > > > > > > > >> > >> > > On Apr 27, 1:57 pm, e_space <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > without referrence to what u consider jumbled or out > > > > > > >> > >> > > > of focus i cannot > > > > > > >> > >> > > > comment unless its a generalization. i do not feel i > > > > > > >> > >> > > > have offered a > > > > > > >> > >> > > > bias on anything, unless stating an opinion could be > > > > > > >> > >> > > > considered > > > > > > >> > >> > > > biased. im not sure what u mean by "It is difficult > > > > > > >> > >> > > > to understand the > > > > > > >> > >> > > > message being portrayed especially when words are > > > > > > >> > >> > > > taken back and > > > > > > >> > >> > > > other's opinions are the core basis for new ideas.", > > > > > > >> > >> > > > so again i cant > > > > > > >> > >> > > > comment...as far as making u think...hey, sorry bout > > > > > > >> > >> > > > that! ;-^) > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > On Apr 27, 2:24 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > I will refrain from giving a negative opinion, as > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > that is most likely > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > what will end up being interpreted. But I too find > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > e's comments a bit > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > jumbled and out of focus. It is difficult to > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > understand the message > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > being portrayed especially when words are taken > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > back and other's > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > opinions are the core basis for new ideas. e try > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > to remain focused > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > and find non-biased validity in your claims. I do > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > enjoy reading > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > everyone's comments and find each and every > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > contributor to be a worthy > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > donor. Your input causes me to think. > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > On Apr 27, 11:00 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Synonym for "wow". Alleged etymology: A way of > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > saying "Jesus!" without > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > being accused of swearing. More often used as a > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > negative exclamation > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > than a positive one. > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gee%20wiz > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Caustic? LOL I'm sure Orn was up all night > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > crying his eyes out! > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Stop projecting your own interpretation, > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > regardless of the inaccuracy, > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > onto Orn. > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > 'superficial, > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > frenetic, without depth, simplistic > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > interpretation, mental cache dump, > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > etc.<<< espace > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Caustic? Lesson? Teacher? Preach? What? > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Again you project your own timidity upon other > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > readers. If you are > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > offended it is your personal choice to feel that > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > way but that in and > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > of itself does not attach new meaning to words > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > very commonly used in > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Minds Eye, many of which I learned to use from > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > others, including > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Orn. > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > I would have to ask other members if you have any > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > clue of what you are > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > saying because I certainly don't think you know > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > what you are talking > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > about. Unless of course I get out my espace > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > dictionary. > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:03 am, e_space > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > if the answer is gee whiz, one would then have > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > to ask, is gee whiz a > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > short form for jesus? > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > i believe u misinterpreted OM's post. i think > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > she was agreeing with > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > u. > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > just a thought...you might want to consider > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > changing the terminology > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > you use to something a bit more pallatable for > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > the readers of your > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > responses? you refer to others posts using > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > words such as 'superficial, > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > frenetic, without depth, simplistic > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > interpretation, mental cache dump, > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > etc. if one is trying to get a point across it > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > is much better to do so > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > without attempting to offend the other, because > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > if u do, even if the > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > words u are saying make sense, the reader will > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > not have a good > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > interpretation of the 'lesson', because they > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > will not appreciate the > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > 'teacher'...your 'meaning' doesnt have to be > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > 'demeaning'. u have some > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > good thoughts and comments...if they were > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > slightly less caustic they > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > might be a bit easier to swallow...again, just > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > an observation > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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