I heard that EGO was the acronym for Easing God Out. It seems to me that every time I see egos involved what ever is involved seldom riases above mediocrity. Allan
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > In classical terms, ego is a form of " pure consciousness." > > You can see the ego as the " form " or as " pure consciousness." As > the former, being subject to change and an end, ego is said to be non > - existent. As the latter, it the Supreme Reality ... Brahman as the > Advaiti would say. > > Decades ago, when I was into rigorous practice of spiritual science, I > was absolutely ' bouyed up ' by Shankaracharya's declaration ( in a > context, in Brihadaranya Upanishad ) : This very ego is Brahman. > There was no way I could understand it then, but the liberating > courage it filled me with I can still recall ! > > On May 1, 1:09 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > Vam, while one can see traces/results of ego, in fact, it has no > > inherent existence of it's own. Just ask the scientists here! > > > > From a different direction, what is at the very base of ego?...surely > > not ego itself... > > > > and, ego is but a mistaken view...when clarified, it melts away...even > > though 'it' wasn't here anyway. > > > > On Apr 29, 8:26 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > OM, how do you declare the " ego " to be non - existent when, in fact, > > > you were precisely that even as you penned the post ? ! > > > > > On Apr 29, 7:57 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > "...Perhaps there is some intelligent energy (needs defining) that > > > > causes > > > > humanity to mentally separate, causing a disconnect of humanity with > > > > cosmos, the one we are talking about creating..." - SD > > > > > > In fact, this is the nonexistent thing called ego... > > > > > > On Apr 28, 7:51 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think we are on the same track! > > > > > To facilitate change in collective subconscious to alter the > > > > > collective consciousness is something that must happen in quantum > > > > > terms, as you say, beyond the realm of physical awareness. The > only > > > > > way I would think it could happen is if all of humanity focused > > > > > together, expending enough mental energy to influence cosmic > change, > > > > > the energy that becomes that super mind. > > > > > Perhaps there is some intelligent energy (needs defining) that > causes > > > > > humanity to mentally separate, causing a disconnect of humanity > with > > > > > cosmos, the one we are talking about creating. This separation is > at > > > > > the core of all the problems, the chaos and the overall inability > to > > > > > peacefully coexist and the whole of humanity's recognition of it is > > > > > crucial to the viability of the collective consciousness, > > > > > subconsciousness and the collective mentality. > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 4:35 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I can't say exactly how it will be done. > > > > > > This (from my post above) is the idea I'm working with. > > > > > > > > "The key we are looking for is in the "collective" mentality/ > > > > > > conscious/ > > > > > > intelligence/subconscious/mind. > > > > > > We have a common 'thing' in our minds." > > > > > > > > Or a 'common mind', that is above and beyond the self conscious > mind > > > > > > of physical awareness, which we have access to, or a connection > with. > > > > > > I'm thinking there is a way to make a connection to bring that > 'super > > > > > > mind' forward in our conscious mind. > > > > > > If we can make the connection in a 'critical mass', the 'super > mind' > > > > > > would infect the 'apparently' evil with a major epiphany and > cause > > > > > > them to change their ways. > > > > > > > > re: "I think we need something more than the high idea. "...any > > > > > > suggestions? > > > > > > > > Again, I can't actually say how it will be done. I do have a > pretty > > > > > > sure idea of what will Not work. > > > > > > I've been working on a post, The Wrong Way, that has grown from > the > > > > > > discussion. I think it's done and I'll post it later. > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 5:56 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > please explain how you expect to accomplish the following > because this > > > > > > > is the part of your proposal that i cannot envision..."We don't > have > > > > > > > to get through to them. The Collective Mentality we're talking > about > > > > > > > establishing 'will' get through to them. We are not talking > about > > > > > > > selling a bunch of dogma, we are talking about establishing a > link in > > > > > > > our minds that will bring the power of our collective > intelligence > > > > > > > (God?) to bear on the actions of mankind." ... > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 10:39 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rosey, > > > > > > > > I understand that the people you refer to as purely evil are > > > > > > > > despicable human beings. > > > > > > > > But they are human beings, and they are what they are because > of the > > > > > > > > values (or lack of) they have acquired in their Life. > > > > > > > > I just have an aversion to the word and idea of 'evil' > because it > > > > > > > > excuses the human from responsibility. > > > > > > > > Psycho/sociopath is as close as a human gets to the idea of > evil. > > > > > > > > > > We don't have to get through to them. The Collective > Mentality we're > > > > > > > > talking about establishing 'will' get through to them. > > > > > > > > We are not talking about selling a bunch of dogma, we are > talking > > > > > > > > about establishing a link in our minds that will bring the > power of > > > > > > > > our collective intelligence (God?) to bear on the actions of > mankind. > > > > > > > > > > Slip said, "I think one of the key factors in the collective > mentality > > > > > > > > obstacle is > > > > > > > > the lack of insight into "post collective mentality". > > > > > > > > What I think he's saying is you are not looking at the > possibility. > > > > > > > > Like a scientist has a vision or object in his mind first, > then begins > > > > > > > > to figure ways to make it real. Where would we be today if > all the > > > > > > > > scientist had your attitude of "Oh we could never do that". > > > > > > > > > > We are looking to bring about an evolutionary leap for > mankind. Please > > > > > > > > release your primitive view of the human and look to the > possibility > > > > > > > > of overcoming the base mentality and evolving to a truly > spiritual > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Imagine utopia, think from that point of view. What is > necessary to > > > > > > > > establish unity? > > > > > > > > > > And it needs to happen soon, cause we don't want slip to go > back to > > > > > > > > Saturn :-) > > > > > > > > He wouldn't be happy without morning glories. > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 9:03 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Tinker, I get what you're saying, but when I mention "pure > evil" I am > > > > > > > > > referring to the leaders of countries. Few of them, very > few, would > > > > > > > > > agree with a collective mentality altogether. The problem > is getting > > > > > > > > > through to them. Yes we the plebians, patrons, citizens... > are > > > > > > > > > starving for peace and humanity, but who is listening to > us? As long > > > > > > > > > as we have leaders that strive on maintaining power who are > unable to > > > > > > > > > equally share in thoughts, borders and resources, we are > going to have > > > > > > > > > followers that will believe in them. That's the truth. > War > > > > > > > > > unfortunately reigns over sound mind. It's a paranoid > caveman > > > > > > > > > instinct which evolution has yet to mutate. Am I for > collective > > > > > > > > > mentality? 100%, do I believe it will actualize anytime > soon, no. > > > > > > > > > It's going to take time. > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 5:13 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rosey, > > > > > > > > > > Your thinking that allows for someone to be "pure evil" > is the sort of > > > > > > > > > > stuff that is used to justify war. There is fear driven > greed that > > > > > > > > > > would apparently be the pure evil that you would > substantiate. But, it > > > > > > > > > > is 'purely' fear driven greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > The people of the world do not cater to war. We are > subjected to war > > > > > > > > > > by the fear driven greedy who have taken control of our > government. > > > > > > > > > > > > What mother nature does is just fine. If we establish the > collective > > > > > > > > > > mentality we will come more in line with mother nature's > natural order > > > > > > > > > > and maybe even have a bit of influence :-) For sure we > would handle > > > > > > > > > > disasters a lot better. > > > > > > > > > > > > The ideas for a Collective Mentality have never made any > significant > > > > > > > > > > progress across barriers of Language and Culture. > > > > > > > > > > So we should give up trying to find the way to make a > world wide > > > > > > > > > > collective mentality? > > > > > > > > > > > > Religions support the fatalistic prognosis. It would not > give them > > > > > > > > > > much authority if they didn't teach "there's nothing we > can > > > > > > > > > > do" (instill apathy) except follow their dogma. > > > > > > > > > > > > A code of rules will never will never establish a > collective > > > > > > > > > > mentality. That would be too complex to cross the > barriers of Culture > > > > > > > > > > and Language. > > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 10:40 am, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Applause Slip, prior to responding to this thread I > initially planned > > > > > > > > > > > to agree with the collective mentality idea. As I am > not one that is > > > > > > > > > > > pro war. To me war is greed, power and an agenda to > eliminate the > > > > > > > > > > > enemy. War is heartache and pain. But when you have > too many people > > > > > > > > > > > whose intentions of others are nothing but pure evil, > how shall we > > > > > > > > > > > acquire this collective mentality. Although signs of > collective > > > > > > > > > > > mentality are already evident, eventually (when I say > eventually, I > > > > > > > > > > > refer to a distant future) it will be on everyone's > list of > > > > > > > > > > > accomodations. Today's generation has less barbaric > tendencies than > > > > > > > > > > > say 1000 years ago. Yet with the attainment of > civility we still > > > > > > > > > > > cater to war. War whether we like to admit it or not, > maintains the > > > > > > > > > > > ratio of people versus earth's resources. Man is the > creator of his > > > > > > > > > > > own demise. Even Mother Nature herself steps in when > man does not. > > > > > > > > > > > Now would a collective mentality prevent tsunami's, > eruptions of > > > > > > > > > > > volcanoes, weather afflictions, earthquakes and > disease? Take the > > > > > > > > > > > Black Plague for example; Europe's agricultural land > and food supply > > > > > > > > > > > did not accomodate to the demand of its residents. > Many were > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
