What I am saying Orn, is that where the services of the National Guard in times of disaster to create order left off, the Red Cross picked up - connecting people with social services and temporary housing, not really handled by the National Guard. Fact is, the National Guard is part of the disaster response protocol and still called to help maintain law and order. FEMA formed a more comprehensive bridge of services between public and private this the branch of the military did. We went from using schools and churches to using convention centers and our largest public facilities for emergency shelters during the 2003 hurricane season. A more concerted effort was, and still is needed to preserve life and avoid the chaos seen during Katrina. We have it. Collectively, we pulled together and did it, the public, the feds, the private agencies. It was a massive effort. Currently, FEMA and the International Association of Assembly Managers IAAM work in concert to educate and certify facilities that may be designated as emergency shelters. Many private and public agencies are included in the response protocal. We can learn our lessons and they can become a part of our collective mentality.
On May 5, 12:07 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > To be clear, the guard has helped in non-military response situations > for years, including search/rescue, handing out food baskets, flood > relief etc. > > On May 5, 7:48 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > looting and riots, yes - the national guard's role is limited to > > maintaining order - a military response. The red cross was, and is, > > the social program designed to give aid the individuals in distress. > > The Red Cross now works in partnership with FEMA since 2003. My > > opinion is that because it is privately funded, the red cross just was > > not big enough to handle something of the magnitude of the 2003 > > hurricane season - thus, the federal response. There was actually a > > hurricane in Florida before Katrina that began the FEMA organization. > > Katrina hit a month or so afterward. The federal response worked in > > the sense that lives were saved, and people were individually > > relocated and supported temporarily. The effort was massive and very > > chaotic. It has gotten better since with more protocol and procedure > > in place. > > http://www.fema.gov/pdf/emergency/disasterhousing/MegaShelterPlanning... > > > On May 5, 10:33 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Perhaps I'm missing something here...but I seem to remember, long > > > before those of us in the USA lost our National Guard to the killing > > > fields of Iraq, that said gardspeople were our first line of help in > > > big emergencies...like floods, storms, looting....etc. > > > > On May 5, 7:30 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > That was my point. It was the first time the government ever tried to > > > > respond. Prior to that, the Red Cross was on their own. > > > > Collectively, instead of looking at the massive and immediate effort, > > > > we expect that the government take care of it with complete > > > > efficiency. That first effort was indeed chaotic, no doubt. But it > > > > wasn't until that first effort was made, that we began to expect the > > > > anything from the government at all other than funding for clean up > > > > efforts. Collectively, Americans have shifted into thinking that the > > > > government should take care of it all...a real example in a shift in > > > > collective mentality. I can't explain it or defend it, but I do see > > > > it. > > > > > On May 5, 3:53 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I hope it has changed Molly, but I think that at best it was a poor > > > > > response > > > > > by the Bush Admin, I know I got a email from a friend asking if his > > > > > church > > > > > could set up several trailers on my land.. ,, which was okay. What > > > > > actually > > > > > occurred I have no idea other than the news.. But the poor federal > > > > > response > > > > > was directly due to the policy of the republican party to dismantal > > > > > the > > > > > government. and the G. weasel Bush's favoritism policy.. > > > > > > As an american I feel the response was a disgrace. > > > > > > I am glad the policies have and are changing... and with you involved > > > > > I am > > > > > sure they will greatly improve.. if I can be of asistance.. you know > > > > > the > > > > > email address. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I was thinking today about Hurricane Katrina in the US and how, > > > > > > prior > > > > > > to this hurricane, the government aid response was minimal at best, > > > > > > doling out money to agencies and individuals afterward. This > > > > > > hurricane changed everything because for the first time, the feds > > > > > > made > > > > > > a concerted effort to evacuate, house temporarily and give direct > > > > > > aid > > > > > > to the people effected that could not help themselves. This changed > > > > > > the collective mentality of the country how now expects the federal > > > > > > government to take care of everything in the event of a natural > > > > > > disaster in the US. This is fascinating to me, not only because of > > > > > > the shift in collective mentality, but because I personally knew > > > > > > many > > > > > > of the facility managers who provided temporary housing during this > > > > > > disaster. Their lives were forever changed from the trauma and I > > > > > > can > > > > > > say that ever one year after, their affect was that of a person > > > > > > stunned. I played a small part in the looking back and drafting a > > > > > > new > > > > > > emergency response procedure, something that I am sure will go on > > > > > > after each disaster. But I think it is significant that prior to > > > > > > this, the red cross did what they could, many more lives were lost, > > > > > > > On May 1, 3:44 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I heard that EGO was the acronym for Easing God Out. > > > > > > > > It seems to me that every time I see egos involved what ever is > > > > > > > involved > > > > > > > seldom riases above mediocrity. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Vamadevananda > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > In classical terms, ego is a form of " pure consciousness." > > > > > > > > > You can see the ego as the " form " or as " pure > > > > > > > > consciousness." As > > > > > > > > the former, being subject to change and an end, ego is said to > > > > > > > > be non > > > > > > > > - existent. As the latter, it the Supreme Reality ... Brahman > > > > > > > > as the > > > > > > > > Advaiti would say. > > > > > > > > > Decades ago, when I was into rigorous practice of spiritual > > > > > > > > science, I > > > > > > > > was absolutely ' bouyed up ' by Shankaracharya's declaration ( > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > context, in Brihadaranya Upanishad ) : This very ego is > > > > > > > > Brahman. > > > > > > > > There was no way I could understand it then, but the liberating > > > > > > > > courage it filled me with I can still recall ! > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 1:09 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Vam, while one can see traces/results of ego, in fact, it has > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > inherent existence of it's own. Just ask the scientists here! > > > > > > > > > > From a different direction, what is at the very base of > > > > > > > > > ego?...surely > > > > > > > > > not ego itself... > > > > > > > > > > and, ego is but a mistaken view...when clarified, it melts > > > > > > away...even > > > > > > > > > though 'it' wasn't here anyway. > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 8:26 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > OM, how do you declare the " ego " to be non - existent > > > > > > > > > > when, in > > > > > > fact, > > > > > > > > > > you were precisely that even as you penned the post ? ! > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 7:57 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "...Perhaps there is some intelligent energy (needs > > > > > > > > > > > defining) > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > > > humanity to mentally separate, causing a disconnect of > > > > > > > > > > > humanity > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > cosmos, the one we are talking about creating..." - SD > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, this is the nonexistent thing called ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 7:51 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we are on the same track! > > > > > > > > > > > > To facilitate change in collective subconscious to > > > > > > > > > > > > alter the > > > > > > > > > > > > collective consciousness is something that must happen > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > quantum > > > > > > > > > > > > terms, as you say, beyond the realm of physical > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness. The > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > way I would think it could happen is if all of humanity > > > > > > > > > > > > focused > > > > > > > > > > > > together, expending enough mental energy to influence > > > > > > > > > > > > cosmic > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > the energy that becomes that super mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there is some intelligent energy (needs > > > > > > > > > > > > defining) that > > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > > > > humanity to mentally separate, causing a disconnect of > > > > > > > > > > > > humanity > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > cosmos, the one we are talking about creating. This > > > > > > > > > > > > separation > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > the core of all the problems, the chaos and the overall > > > > > > inability > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > peacefully coexist and the whole of humanity's > > > > > > > > > > > > recognition of > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > crucial to the viability of the collective > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness, > > > > > > > > > > > > subconsciousness and the collective mentality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 4:35 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't say exactly how it will be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This (from my post above) is the idea I'm working > > > > > > > > > > > > > with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The key we are looking for is in the "collective" > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentality/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > conscious/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > intelligence/subconscious/mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have a common 'thing' in our minds." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or a 'common mind', that is above and beyond the self > > > > > > conscious > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > of physical awareness, which we have access to, or a > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking there is a way to make a connection to > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > 'super > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind' forward in our conscious mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can make the connection in a 'critical mass', > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > 'super > > > > > > > > mind' > > > > > > > > > > > > > would infect the 'apparently' evil with a major > > > > > > > > > > > > > epiphany and > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > them to change their ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re: "I think we need something more than the high > > > > > > > > > > > > > idea. > > > > > > "...any > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I can't actually say how it will be done. I do > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > pretty > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure idea of what will Not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
