Hi! you guys sound intelligent. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:03 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote:
> > Perhaps I'm missing something here...but I seem to remember, long > before those of us in the USA lost our National Guard to the killing > fields of Iraq, that said gardspeople were our first line of help in > big emergencies...like floods, storms, looting....etc. > > On May 5, 7:30 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > That was my point. It was the first time the government ever tried to > > respond. Prior to that, the Red Cross was on their own. > > Collectively, instead of looking at the massive and immediate effort, > > we expect that the government take care of it with complete > > efficiency. That first effort was indeed chaotic, no doubt. But it > > wasn't until that first effort was made, that we began to expect the > > anything from the government at all other than funding for clean up > > efforts. Collectively, Americans have shifted into thinking that the > > government should take care of it all...a real example in a shift in > > collective mentality. I can't explain it or defend it, but I do see > > it. > > > > On May 5, 3:53 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I hope it has changed Molly, but I think that at best it was a poor > response > > > by the Bush Admin, I know I got a email from a friend asking if his > church > > > could set up several trailers on my land.. ,, which was okay. What > actually > > > occurred I have no idea other than the news.. But the poor federal > response > > > was directly due to the policy of the republican party to dismantal > the > > > government. and the G. weasel Bush's favoritism policy.. > > > > > As an american I feel the response was a disgrace. > > > > > I am glad the policies have and are changing... and with you involved I > am > > > sure they will greatly improve.. if I can be of asistance.. you know > the > > > email address. > > > > > Allan > > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > I was thinking today about Hurricane Katrina in the US and how, prior > > > > to this hurricane, the government aid response was minimal at best, > > > > doling out money to agencies and individuals afterward. This > > > > hurricane changed everything because for the first time, the feds > made > > > > a concerted effort to evacuate, house temporarily and give direct aid > > > > to the people effected that could not help themselves. This changed > > > > the collective mentality of the country how now expects the federal > > > > government to take care of everything in the event of a natural > > > > disaster in the US. This is fascinating to me, not only because of > > > > the shift in collective mentality, but because I personally knew many > > > > of the facility managers who provided temporary housing during this > > > > disaster. Their lives were forever changed from the trauma and I can > > > > say that ever one year after, their affect was that of a person > > > > stunned. I played a small part in the looking back and drafting a > new > > > > emergency response procedure, something that I am sure will go on > > > > after each disaster. But I think it is significant that prior to > > > > this, the red cross did what they could, many more lives were lost, > > > > > > On May 1, 3:44 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I heard that EGO was the acronym for Easing God Out. > > > > > > > It seems to me that every time I see egos involved what ever is > involved > > > > > seldom riases above mediocrity. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Vamadevananda < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > In classical terms, ego is a form of " pure consciousness." > > > > > > > > You can see the ego as the " form " or as " pure consciousness." > As > > > > > > the former, being subject to change and an end, ego is said to be > non > > > > > > - existent. As the latter, it the Supreme Reality ... Brahman as > the > > > > > > Advaiti would say. > > > > > > > > Decades ago, when I was into rigorous practice of spiritual > science, I > > > > > > was absolutely ' bouyed up ' by Shankaracharya's declaration ( in > a > > > > > > context, in Brihadaranya Upanishad ) : This very ego is Brahman. > > > > > > There was no way I could understand it then, but the liberating > > > > > > courage it filled me with I can still recall ! > > > > > > > > On May 1, 1:09 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Vam, while one can see traces/results of ego, in fact, it has > no > > > > > > > inherent existence of it's own. Just ask the scientists here! > > > > > > > > > From a different direction, what is at the very base of > ego?...surely > > > > > > > not ego itself... > > > > > > > > > and, ego is but a mistaken view...when clarified, it melts > > > > away...even > > > > > > > though 'it' wasn't here anyway. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 8:26 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OM, how do you declare the " ego " to be non - existent when, > in > > > > fact, > > > > > > > > you were precisely that even as you penned the post ? ! > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 7:57 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "...Perhaps there is some intelligent energy (needs > defining) > > > > that > > > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > humanity to mentally separate, causing a disconnect of > humanity > > > > with > > > > > > > > > cosmos, the one we are talking about creating..." - SD > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, this is the nonexistent thing called ego... > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 7:51 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we are on the same track! > > > > > > > > > > To facilitate change in collective subconscious to alter > the > > > > > > > > > > collective consciousness is something that must happen in > > > > quantum > > > > > > > > > > terms, as you say, beyond the realm of physical > awareness. The > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > way I would think it could happen is if all of humanity > focused > > > > > > > > > > together, expending enough mental energy to influence > cosmic > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > the energy that becomes that super mind. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there is some intelligent energy (needs defining) > that > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > > humanity to mentally separate, causing a disconnect of > humanity > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > cosmos, the one we are talking about creating. This > separation > > > > is > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > the core of all the problems, the chaos and the overall > > > > inability > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > peacefully coexist and the whole of humanity's > recognition of > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > crucial to the viability of the collective consciousness, > > > > > > > > > > subconsciousness and the collective mentality. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 4:35 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't say exactly how it will be done. > > > > > > > > > > > This (from my post above) is the idea I'm working with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The key we are looking for is in the "collective" > mentality/ > > > > > > > > > > > conscious/ > > > > > > > > > > > intelligence/subconscious/mind. > > > > > > > > > > > We have a common 'thing' in our minds." > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or a 'common mind', that is above and beyond the self > > > > conscious > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > of physical awareness, which we have access to, or a > > > > connection > > > > > > with. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking there is a way to make a connection to > bring > > > > that > > > > > > 'super > > > > > > > > > > > mind' forward in our conscious mind. > > > > > > > > > > > If we can make the connection in a 'critical mass', the > > > > 'super > > > > > > mind' > > > > > > > > > > > would infect the 'apparently' evil with a major > epiphany and > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > them to change their ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > re: "I think we need something more than the high idea. > > > > "...any > > > > > > > > > > > suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I can't actually say how it will be done. I do > have a > > > > > > pretty > > > > > > > > > > > sure idea of what will Not work. > > > > > > > > > > > I've been working on a post, The Wrong Way, that has > grown > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. I think it's done and I'll post it later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 5:56 am, e_space <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please explain how you expect to accomplish the > following > > > > > > because this > > > > > > > > > > > > is the part of your proposal that i cannot > envision..."We > > > > don't > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > to get through to them. The Collective Mentality > we're > > > > talking > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > establishing 'will' get through to them. We are not > talking > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > selling a bunch of dogma, we are talking about > establishing > > > > a > > > > > > link in > > > > > > > > > > > > our minds that will bring the power of our collective > > > > > > intelligence > > > > > > > > > > > > (God?) to bear on the actions of mankind." ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 10:39 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rosey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that the people you refer to as purely > evil > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > despicable human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But they are human beings, and they are what they > are > > > > because > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > values (or lack of) they have acquired in their > Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just have an aversion to the word and idea of > 'evil' > > > > > > because it > > > > > > > > > > > > > excuses the human from responsibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psycho/sociopath is as close as a human gets to the > idea > > > > of > > > > > > evil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We don't have to get through to them. The > Collective > > > > > > Mentality we're > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking about establishing 'will' get through to > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not talking about selling a bunch of dogma, > we are > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > about establishing a link in our minds that will > bring > > > > the > > > > > > power of > > > > > > > > > > > > > our collective intelligence (God?) to bear on the > actions > > > > of > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Slip said, "I think one of the key factors in the > > > > collective > > > > > > mentality > > > > > > > > > > > > > obstacle is > > > > > > > > > > > > > the lack of insight into "post collective > mentality". > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I think he's saying is you are- Hide quoted > text - > > > > - Show quoted text -... > > > > read more ยป > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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