If you are calling our higher power 'Christ potential' I agree with you 100%. I believe the teaching of the man Jesus was indeed, very good. The Christian 'Lie' is, "accept Jesus Christ as your savior and you will have an everlasting Life in Paradise". I have studied, meditated and contemplated on the teaching of the man, I am very much aware of the truths of his teaching. One does not enter the Kingdom Jesus was talking about. It is not manifest on our Earth. It is in the 'dream of Utopia', if you want to consider that as experiencing it. That's as close as we can get until we bring about a global change in the way of Society. The way of turning in, as the means to achieve it, to our higher power for self improvement is the "Wrong Way" that we need to change to manifest the kingdom on Earth. It is all well and good for the individual, but once a true level of goodness is attained, it becomes escapism, "there's nothing more that can be done to change the world". BS! Make that higher power known as the common link amongst mankind and then we will enter the Kingdom.
peace & Love On May 3, 8:23 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > I thing that what Jesus was saying is that the Christ potential is in > everyman - which is why their faith can heal them (when they realize > it). If you are thinking that any of his teachings are "a lie" then > you are missing the essential truth of them, which is non dual, and > this non duality is what leads us to the kingdom at hand. > > I questioned, for many years, how a man like Jesus could have > possibly, actually, lived. Then I read Carl Jung's Memories, Dreams, > Reflections and fell in love with his idea that the collective > unconscious of humanity allowed for the physical manifestation of the > man Jesus. Humanity was ready for a savior. His life physically > demonstrated to us the process of living life as close to God as > possible. As did the life of Buddha and every savior and prophet on > the planet. All of their teachings are diagrams for consciousness > raising.Prophets are still all around us, and we can hear them if we > are listening. The message finds us when we are open to it. But we > have to step out of our own stories and need for conflict and duality > to truly understand the message. > > On May 2, 3:11 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yea man! > > That one statement is pretty much the foundation of the Christian lie. > > All the times Jesus said he was a common man and that it was the > > persons own faith that healed them is ignored. > > > peace & Love > > > On May 2, 10:44 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think that passage is a perfect example of the problems of a human > > > translated "holy" text. > > > > Heres's the KJV: > > > > "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man shall come to the father > > > but BY me." > > > > Not through, by. That one word is an important distinction, because it > > > introduces variance in understanding, and shows the problems of which I > > > speak. Change the phrase slightly, and the message falls in line with all > > > the rest of what Christ taught: > > > > "I show you the way, the truth, the life; no man shall come unto the > > > father unless they follow my example." > > > > Now given Christ's refusal to be deified, his perpetual redirection of > > > prayer and worship to Yahweh, and his oft vocalized mission to teach ("I > > > come to show you the way..."), which interpretation makes more sense? > > > > Christians espouse the viewpoint that Christianity is exactly that, > > > attempting to lead a Christ like life, but the deification of Christ has > > > become so entrenched that the two are indistinguishable. > > > > Thou shalt have no other Gods before me... > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:e_space <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sat, 2 May 2009 05:35:15 -0700 > > > (PDT)Local:Sat, May 2 2009 8:35 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong Way > > > > it is not unfortunate at all...it doesnt matter to me what jesus > > > said...i dont consider jesus to be god...he said some neat stuff...so > > > did other people...but i would NEVER say to someone, 'noone shall come > > > to the father but through me'... i find that sorta arrogant, even if > > > it was true. > > > > i do not associate religion with 'god', i associate it with man where > > > it belongs. as far as 'the spirituality of fundamental christianity' > > > is concerned, i am not even closely convinced that such an animal > > > exists...when u listen to a fundamentalist the last thing that comes > > > to mind is spirituality. > > > > if my words are capable of turning some off religion then their belief > > > isnt very strong...on the other hand, since my negative slant on > > > religion is accompanied by my joy of spiritual awareness, i really > > > dont think i will be doing that much damage...maybe some good huh? > > > > On May 2, 7:52 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I don't envy your up bringing and unfortunately what you experienced is > > > > from the lack of knowledge of what Jesus taught and the problem > > > > that is > > > > inherit to the trinitarian belief system where they make Jesus a God. > > > > > I have to laugh E when you say your father never sinned, because in > > > > his > > > > eyes he probably never did disobey the rules and regulations. But > > > > there in > > > > lies the problem as I see it "sin" within christianity is what > > > > separates us > > > > from God .. but now i want you to think about something. It would be a > > > > very > > > > serious "sin" if your actions or teachings separate someone from God.. > > > > very > > > > serious indeed . > > > > > If I had to survive on the spirituality of fundamentalist christianity I > > > > would have either died or wandered away long ago. In one of my > > > > experiences > > > > years ago it was said "If you think you know it all there is more." > > > > That > > > > has proven to be very true for me. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > i was born the son of a very strict preacher man. my whole life was > > > > > spent in church, even home life resembled church with daily bible > > > > > reading, prayers, etc. i actually called my father 'god on earth' > > > > > because i never saw him do anything that even closely resembled a sin, > > > > > other than the harsh treatment we got for doing something wrong, but > > > > > that was the english way, spare the rod, spoil the child. > > > > > > i saw a lot of hypocritical activity in the church and found no > > > > > comfort in the words of the bible. i rebelled. what i learned was that > > > > > the 'path' to spiritual experience leads within. everything of any > > > > > importance on the spiritual side happened for me just before sleep > > > > > with eyes closed. of course, it takes a desire for this communication > > > > > and i was constantly putting out the welcome mat for this activity. > > > > > > people can look for the 'truth', answers to their religious or > > > > > spiritual questions, etc by reading or listening to the words of > > > > > others, where they will find nothing of substance from what i have > > > > > experienced. i think we all have a spirit, its just a matter of > > > > > digging the diamond out of the rough and starting to polish it...just > > > > > my opinion here... > > > > > > On May 2, 5:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Well Saul of tarsus (Paul is not an apostle as in the original > > > > > > sense as > > > > > > having been with Jesus and knew him before his death. If Saul is an > > > > > apostle > > > > > > then so am I by the same right and I can assure you that I am not an > > > > > > apostle. You are right unfortunately the teachings of christianity > > > > > > are > > > > > > heavily based on the writings of Saul. > > > > > > > It is sad the distortion of what Jesus had to say, but at least > > > > > > some of > > > > > it > > > > > > has been recorded. Even if it is not accurate and distorted by > > > > > > time and > > > > > > transulation there comes many ideas that can be put to practical > > > > > > use in > > > > > > developing some kind of spiritual life. > > > > > > > My own view of Jesus (which is evolving) is that he is the Abbot of > > > > > > his > > > > > > teachings and a small group of followers. widely spread out and > > > > > > often > > > > > > unknown to other followers. It is meditation and thought about what > > > > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > read that become the guiding principles. > > > > > > > It has not been an easy life, but it is one that I am very proud of. > > > > > Often > > > > > > times I come up against teachings of the past that are difficult to > > > > > > understand, yet though I feel that they must be discarded It can > > > > > > not be > > > > > > done lightly. I know what Rosey is going through as Though I have > > > > > > been > > > > > > chasing my beliefs longer than she has been alive. It is very nice > > > > > > to > > > > > know > > > > > > other are walking the path of searching.. > > > > > > > My wife calls and I need to leave. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:52 AM, Chris Jenkins < > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > I've found that most modern Christians draw the vast majority of > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > ideology from Paul, one of the worst apostles on whom to build a > > > > > > > gospel > > > > > of > > > > > > > love and forgiveness, with a dash of Mosaic Law whenever it suits > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > political desires. Your approach to Gospel works well enough for > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > From: Tinker <[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: "\"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:53:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong Way > > > > > > > > I was a stone cold atheist, anti-christian for sure, at a > > > > > > > challenging > > > > > > > time in my Life, a little new testament found me. It had all the > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > of Jesus in red. I read those red words over and over till I > > > > > > > understood what the man was saying. Christianity ain't got a clue. > > > > > > > > peace & love > > > > > > > > On May 1, 10:36 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Both JC and Gautama asked that there be no religion based upon > > > > > them... > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 3:35 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The man Jesus knew we are going the wrong way. He was all > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > to make a change. > > > > > > > > > The religions are all basically built on 'good stuff', and > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > their circumstance for the purpose of unifying the people. > > > > > > > > > I think Christianity is the only religion that actually had > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > devious element in its creation. The people Jesus was most > > > > > disgusted > > > > > > > > > with were the ones who created the religion that in no way > > > > > represents > > > > > > > > > the man as he was. > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 4:57 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I know it was not directed at me,, and there are a great > > > > > > > > > > many > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
