I thought you had travelled the world, Chris. And what did you do
there? Went to the local movie theatres? Americans and how they live
their belief in ideals. *sigh*

OK, let me translate "to please others" for you.  In international
terms it means "begging" and is strictly unerotic.

On 7 Mai, 06:45, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> In classical psychology, it's the Madonna-Whore complex. In modern
> culture, Ludacris calls out for "a Lady in the streets but a freak in
> the bed!" The clash of puritanical public values with animalistic
> private sexual desires creates a conflict that men (and less often
> women) who are not honest with themselves and/or their partners often
> express extra-relationally. In the ideal Eros relationship (ever
> IMHO), honest communication and a desire to please the other allows
> for mutual open exploration of the poles of desire, negating the
> desire to engage in such dalliances. Despite a variety of cultural
> relational phenotypes to choose from, I believe monogamy to be the
> Eros ideal.
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:06 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Somewhat over-long as I remember Chris.  An old French mate of mine
> > kept two mistresses - one who treated him like a mother.  He was
> > somewhat surprised that I didn't approve, even suspecting I was in
> > love with his wife because of this.  Sadly, I was only in love with
> > her cooking and brilliant sense of humour.  He was a very gentle soul,
> > except when it came to arresting blaggers known to use violence and
> > intimidation on women.
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