*laughing* What exactly are you responding to, Gabs? Your tangents are
entertaining, but near impossible to respond to given their near complete
disconnect with anything that's actually been posted. Has begging been on your
mind, or is it American ideals that has you flamed up?
For the benefit of your understanding, since I doubt anyone else had a hard
time with it, I was speaking of exploring the limits of desire...begging
doesn't factor into that at all. If you have to beg for intimacy, the
relationship has far deeper issues. Given that I'm speaking of reaching the
peaks of fulfillment, and you're focused on the bare depths of barely
togetherness, I don't think you're following along...your translator license
has been revoked! It's ok though...ich liebe dich anyways...
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I thought you had travelled the world, Chris. And what did you do
there? Went to the local movie theatres? Americans and how they live
their belief in ideals. *sigh*
OK, let me translate "to please others" for you. In international
terms it means "begging" and is strictly unerotic.
On 7 Mai, 06:45, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> In classical psychology, it's the Madonna-Whore complex. In modern
> culture, Ludacris calls out for "a Lady in the streets but a freak in
> the bed!" The clash of puritanical public values with animalistic
> private sexual desires creates a conflict that men (and less often
> women) who are not honest with themselves and/or their partners often
> express extra-relationally. In the ideal Eros relationship (ever
> IMHO), honest communication and a desire to please the other allows
> for mutual open exploration of the poles of desire, negating the
> desire to engage in such dalliances. Despite a variety of cultural
> relational phenotypes to choose from, I believe monogamy to be the
> Eros ideal.
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:06 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Somewhat over-long as I remember Chris. An old French mate of mine
> > kept two mistresses - one who treated him like a mother. He was
> > somewhat surprised that I didn't approve, even suspecting I was in
> > love with his wife because of this. Sadly, I was only in love with
> > her cooking and brilliant sense of humour. He was a very gentle soul,
> > except when it came to arresting blaggers known to use violence and
> > intimidation on women.
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