There is a need to be defensive, you are attacking me. You are not trying to understand my idea, you will not discuss the initial point to be discussed for understanding to progress.
The 'common link' that runs through us has had many different descriptions, been ascribed to many different dogmas and caused most of the atrocities of our world because it is not commonly recognized. It is used for the justification of personal beliefs that people will kill for, violently or as subtly as a Brother Dave vibe to set up 'kill the messenger'. peace & Love On May 15, 4:13 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > Not at all, there is no need to be defensive. I am trying to > understand your idea. So far, all I understand is that this idea is > so good, you have stopped reading about any other ideas. And that it > is your idea, not derived from any other (like mine.) So I think it > is logical for me to ask who Mr. Jenkins is. Also, the fact that > there is a common thread that runs through us is as old as Hermetic > Philosophy. How is what you are saying different? And what is it > that you think we all need to recognize? > > On May 15, 4:09 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You want me to put something on the table for you to butcher. You want > > to be able to accuse me of trying to shove something down your throat. > > > Again, you refuse to discuss the common link that supports your > > beliefs :-) > > > peace & Love > > > On May 15, 3:50 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Let's give tinker a chance to tell us his idea in its entirety. Can > > > you give it to us without the twenty questions? > > > > On May 15, 3:41 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm starting to get a Brother Dave vibe here.... > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > It would be bringing it forward in the conscious mind of the > > > > > individual. > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On May 15, 2:55 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > And how do you think the collective subconscious mind comes forward > > > > > > into the collective conscious mind? > > > > > > > On May 15, 2:48 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You are right Molly, I have not presented a clear idea. I have > > > > > > > tried > > > > > > > to get you to discuss something that is common in the mind of all > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > You can't bear to talk about it as being common to mankind. It is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > justifier of all that you believe in and if it is the justifier > > > > > > > of all > > > > > > > that others believe in your beliefs would loose their superiority. > > > > > > > > I'm really happy that you are not calling me a scientologist :-) > > > > > > > My ideas are the common threads of all kinds of religious dogmas. > > > > > > > > So now I will ask, what, exactly is your answer to the conundrum > > > > > > > of> > > > > > life, tinker? > > > > > > > > To establish a common recognition of the common link in the minds > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > What symbol do your propose and how will it work to> bring the sum > > > > > total of humanity into the same stage and state of mind? > > > > > > > > The symbol will come after understanding the way to, bring the > > > > > > > collective mind forward from the subconscious to the conscious. > > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > mankind will evolve spiritually, as all the great religions have > > > > > > > sought. > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > On May 15, 1:54 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I did respond directly to you. As far as your idea, you may > > > > > > > > think > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have presented a clear idea, but you have not. Communication > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > tricky thing, especially when we are responding to posts days > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > they were saved, and the conversation has gone beyond them > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > We all use the language and ideas accumulated thoughout our > > > > > > > > lifetimes > > > > > > > > and they reflect our culture, education, etc. You, for example, > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > like a scientologist. I'm not saying you are, I'm saying your > > > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > sound similar. > > > > > > > > > So now I will ask, what, exactly is your answer to the > > > > > > > > conundrum of > > > > > > > > life, tinker? What symbol do your propose and how will it work > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > bring the sum total of humanity into the same stage and state of > > > > > mind? > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 1:43 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Molly, I am wide open to everything presented on this forum. > > > > > > > > > I read > > > > > > > > > (to understand) every word posted. I don't use the "rare and > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > opportunities for self reflection" as a means of escape. > > > > > > > > > I apologize for being so arrogant as to stand fast on > > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > > have gained and tested over and over again from different > > > > > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > > views to know the truth. Everything that I know has ground in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > great teachings. But it's a bit here and a piece there that > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > together to form a 'new knowledge'. > > > > > > > > > You are the one who is not open to insight. You have the most > > > > > > > > > magnificent construction of collected dogmas that I've ever > > > > > > > > > seen. I > > > > > > > > > don't think there is a bit of it that you have developed > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > own insight. > > > > > > > > > There is no need for you to "go on", I see the great > > > > > > > > > collection of > > > > > > > > > intelligence on this forum, that's why I'm here. > > > > > > > > > You keep trying to pin some kind of ignorance on me. I know > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > know, and you won't even talk about what I know. > > > > > > > > > > Why do you come down the page to defend Fran and not respond > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > above? > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:38 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > e, I think that the handle that Francis chose to use in this > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > reflects a very real sense of humility. He speaks to us as > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > > the man - not a god or a saint, but fully human. As you > > > > > > > > > > get to > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > him, you will find his responses compassionate and real. > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > insight > > > > > > > > > > into tinkers responses here should not be dismissed > > > > > > > > > > lightly. It > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > two hands to clap, and tinker has voiced very strongly that > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > to enlighten us. He may, indeed, have some insights. But > > > > > > > > > > if he > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > open to the insights of Francis or anyone else here, he > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > missing out on rare and wonderful opportunities for self > > > > > reflection > > > > > > > > > > and growth. If he thinks that he has grown all he can, and > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > "others" are here for him to enlighten, I would say he has > > > > > > > > > > a long > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > to go. This is the message he conveys. This is what > > > > > > > > > > Francis, in > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > compassion, is trying to tell tinker - that there is an > > > > > > > > > > arrogance > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > this position that screams unenlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > Tinker, if you mean something different than this, let us > > > > > > > > > > know. > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > have an interesting perspective. Everyone here does. One > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > better or more enlightened than the other. Justin has > > > > > > > > > > incredibly > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > insights and enjoys the structure of philosophical > > > > > > > > > > discourse. > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > will string it all out for us like a true physicist whose > > > > > observations > > > > > > > > > > change the experiment. Francis has a wealth of > > > > > > > > > > understanding in > > > > > > > > > > theology and psychology, and the heart of a poet with a > > > > > > > > > > command > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > language to do it justice. I could go on and on but will > > > > > > > > > > end > > > > > > > > > > suggesting that you stay open to what is offered here. > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 6:46 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > fran! u seem a bit bothered in your last couple of > > > > > posts...maybe a > > > > > > > > > > > vacation in the arctic would help u chill out a bit. i > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > havent read a book of significance in about 40 years > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > found what i was looking for...this does not mean that one > > > > > should not > > > > > > > > > > > put their views out there does it? maybe tink does what to > > > > > spread his > > > > > > > > > > > light around...anything wrong with that? u can take what > > > > > > > > > > > u want > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > it, or not, no? speaking of conceited, at least he doesnt > > > > > > > > > > > call > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > > 'tinktheman' ;-^) > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 4:57 am, frantheman > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Mai, 02:43, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't intend to say that the great works of a lot of > > > > > people are not > > > > > > > > > > > > > great. I don't need to study anymore, I have found > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > which I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking and am trying to go forward with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This attitude makes discussion with you difficult, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tinker. If > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced you have found the Philosopher's Stone, then > > > > > > > > > > > > why do > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > enter into discourse with us here? Do you see any > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > dialectical development in discussion with others? Is > > > > > > > > > > > > there a > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility that your views will develop and even change > > > > > under the > > > > > > > > > > > > influence of the insights of others? If so, then I > > > > > > > > > > > > would see > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > dismissal of the need to study what others have written > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > topics to be somewhat short-sighted. If not, then I > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > conclude > > > > > > > > > > > > that your only purpose here is to enlighten those of us > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > > > > > > reached your elevated level of satori, or to indulge in > > > > > mutual back- > > > > > > > > > > > > scratching with others who have achieved this exalted > > > > > position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such posts remind me of Lucy van Pelt, > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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