Yes, attachment to life is all your friend says it is...although w/o
the associated vitality it wouldn't be possible to access god either.

As to the precise use of English, I agree...I poorly wrote my story.
Still, the notion of what one does at least once every two weeks was
quite enlightening to me and I hope the same for others.

On May 19, 10:32 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
> Patanjali said that attachment to life is an addiction and an obstacle
> to accessing God.
>
> In addition, there is a bit of equivocation on the use of the phrase
> 'has to use' as opposed to 'uses'. The difference is quite
> pronounced.
>
> On May 19, 11:28 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > RE: addiction
> > Many years ago, a very wise friend of mine defined quantitatively what
> > addiction was in a startling, to me, way. He said that anything (not
> > needed for life/sustenance) that one has to use at least once every
> > two weeks represented an addiction….of sorts. Here, I’m using a
> > specific meaning for the term…more like a psychic compensation.
>
> > On May 19, 4:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > So your addicted too, fran?  Gee, where would you place yourself on
> > > the oomp scale of 1 to 10 on coffee addiction?
>
> > > On May 19, 3:30 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Hey, ID, I visited the Netherlands for a couple of hours last Friday!
> > > > One of the items I stocked up on was original Senseo coffee pads, they
> > > > cost twice as much in Germany :-)
>
> > > > On 19 Mai, 09:18, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments.
>
> > > > > That is easy enough i believe  you would sit in copyright 
> > > > > infringement,
> > > > > simply because what you have said about spirituality is not 
> > > > > original.. most
> > > > > of it is either quoted or paraphrased from what others have said. As 
> > > > > I read
> > > > > what you say I find it difficult to believe you are not a 
> > > > > fundamentalist
> > > > > christian, despite what you say to the contrary. They can talk a lot 
> > > > > of talk
> > > > > but sadly they tend to lack insight as to the meaning of the words 
> > > > > they say,
> > > > > as a group. But there are some that do tend to rise above this 
> > > > > tendency.
> > > > > Your hatred of others and their belief show me that you are insecure 
> > > > > in your
> > > > > own beliefs, and there is a lot of confusion going on within you. Your
> > > > > hatred of atheist tells me you are afraid you are one deep inside, 
> > > > > and that
> > > > > frightens you very very much, almost like a child that is frightened 
> > > > > of the
> > > > > unknown. You even called me an atheist, my guardians had a good 
> > > > > laugh. there
> > > > > are many people here with a wide range of views and each one is 
> > > > > valid. Many
> > > > > of these people are far smarter and wiser than I am. Many of us are
> > > > > considered "Elders" by our given communities, Yet your treat them with
> > > > > absolute disrespect.
> > > > > I asked you to share your personal spiritual experiences. You reply 
> > > > > with "
> > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments." Well 
> > > > > there
> > > > > is a difference between comments and spiritual experience. after you 
> > > > > have
> > > > > gone down a few rabbit holes you will know the difference. Oops 
> > > > > forgot you
> > > > > are not willing to go down the rabbit holes. When you do have some 
> > > > > personal
> > > > > spiritual experiences like walking through the gateless gate, they 
> > > > > tend to
> > > > > be earth shattering to say the least.  Me and my cup of coffee are 
> > > > > waiting
> > > > > to hear about them.
>
> > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your
> > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom.
>
> > > > >  My, my so my two to three cups of coffee a week is now an addiction,
> > > > > amazing.. Omprem  we do have very good coffee here in the Netherlands
> > > > > (Holland just in case you don't where the Netherlands is)
> > > > > I think it is time for you to follow the yellow brick road and return 
> > > > > to
> > > > > your ashram.
> > > > > Allan
> > > > > Hatred is so unbecoming showing a lack of spirituality,  <sigh> "But 
> > > > > for the
> > > > > grace of God go I "
>
> > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:30 PM, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments.
>
> > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your
> > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom.
>
> > > > > > On May 18, 3:55 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Knowledge entails being separate from that which is 'known'. But
> > > > > > > separation means that the knower is not fully aware of the which 
> > > > > > > he/
> > > > > > > she wishes to know.  To 'know' the Divine one must attune 
> > > > > > > themselves
> > > > > > > to the Divine completely.
>
> > > > > > > omprem
> > > > > > > Your statement above shows me that you lack one of the most 
> > > > > > > important
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > > envolving spirituality, wisdom. In your rantings you seem only to 
> > > > > > > spout
> > > > > > > dogma and doctrine. The truth is I personally am not interested 
> > > > > > > in your
> > > > > > > insults and hatred.
>
> > > > > > > If I may make a suggestion, why don't you tell us about your own 
> > > > > > > personal
> > > > > > > spiritual experience. Something like your going through the 
> > > > > > > gateless
> > > > > > > gate.That I will be delighted to read. Now if you try to feed me 
> > > > > > > dogma
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > doctrine as personal experience I will tell you that also.
>
> > > > > > > I have my coffee cup n hand and am waiting.
> > > > > > > (
> > > > > > >  )
> > > > > > > I_D Allan
>
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> > > > > (
> > > > >  )
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>
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