On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:23 AM, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > OMPREM: For this forum, one has to be careful of how they phrase their > comments. >
Yes. One should, in particular, avoid ad hominem statements, and unprovable generalities such as "All atheists are..." You have made a half dozen blanket statements so far about what Atheists are which are simply, to quote you, wrong. You propose to tell me, and fellow atheists here, what our beliefs are, or are not. You are wrong. You purport to know what it is to be an Atheist. You are wrong. You purport to understand the thought process, or lack thereof, in choosing to become an Atheist. You are wrong. In order to avoid this near flawless string of wrongness, the only correction needed to your statements was to replace the word "All" in your positional statements with the word "some", or some similar disclaimant which allows for the fact that Atheists, much like any group of which has a similar philosophy, is made up of individuals with vastly different takes on that philosophy, and vastly different life paths to have reached that philosophy. I cannot argue against the point that "Some atheists believe there is no God". I can certainly argue against the point that "All atheists believe there is no God", because I am an atheist, and believe no such thing. Wisdom can be pointed, with an edge. The razor wit of Mullah Nasruddin and the sometimes slashing interjections of Gabby's abstract claws have real value, because they are connected to the audience in a way that you are not. This is the difference between a teacher and a demagogue of dogma. You are standing on a soap box yelling, secure in your perceived authority and superiority, not even realizing that you've lost both by not engaging in true discourse. Have you forgotten the structure of the Upanishads? They are question and answer, conversation, and never did Lord Krisna respond with "WRONG." The master leads the seeker with gentle love and wisdom...and ONLY the seeker...he does not chase those who do not seek. You are motivated, and educated in your dogma, can recite and quote chapter and verse, but true wisdom escapes you still. > > > > On May 19, 10:32 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Patanjali said that attachment to life is an addiction and an obstacle > > > to accessing God. > > > > > In addition, there is a bit of equivocation on the use of the phrase > > > 'has to use' as opposed to 'uses'. The difference is quite > > > pronounced. > > > > > On May 19, 11:28 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > RE: addiction > > > > Many years ago, a very wise friend of mine defined quantitatively > what > > > > addiction was in a startling, to me, way. He said that anything (not > > > > needed for life/sustenance) that one has to use at least once every > > > > two weeks represented an addiction….of sorts. Here, I’m using a > > > > specific meaning for the term…more like a psychic compensation. > > > > > > On May 19, 4:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > So your addicted too, fran? Gee, where would you place yourself on > > > > > the oomp scale of 1 to 10 on coffee addiction? > > > > > > > On May 19, 3:30 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey, ID, I visited the Netherlands for a couple of hours last > Friday! > > > > > > One of the items I stocked up on was original Senseo coffee pads, > they > > > > > > cost twice as much in Germany :-) > > > > > > > > On 19 Mai, 09:18, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments. > > > > > > > > > That is easy enough i believe you would sit in copyright > infringement, > > > > > > > simply because what you have said about spirituality is not > original.. most > > > > > > > of it is either quoted or paraphrased from what others have > said. As I read > > > > > > > what you say I find it difficult to believe you are not a > fundamentalist > > > > > > > christian, despite what you say to the contrary. They can talk > a lot of talk > > > > > > > but sadly they tend to lack insight as to the meaning of the > words they say, > > > > > > > as a group. But there are some that do tend to rise above this > tendency. > > > > > > > Your hatred of others and their belief show me that you are > insecure in your > > > > > > > own beliefs, and there is a lot of confusion going on within > you. Your > > > > > > > hatred of atheist tells me you are afraid you are one deep > inside, and that > > > > > > > frightens you very very much, almost like a child that is > frightened of the > > > > > > > unknown. You even called me an atheist, my guardians had a good > laugh. there > > > > > > > are many people here with a wide range of views and each one is > valid. Many > > > > > > > of these people are far smarter and wiser than I am. Many of us > are > > > > > > > considered "Elders" by our given communities, Yet your treat > them with > > > > > > > absolute disrespect. > > > > > > > I asked you to share your personal spiritual experiences. You > reply with " > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments." > Well there > > > > > > > is a difference between comments and spiritual experience. > after you have > > > > > > > gone down a few rabbit holes you will know the difference. Oops > forgot you > > > > > > > are not willing to go down the rabbit holes. When you do have > some personal > > > > > > > spiritual experiences like walking through the gateless gate, > they tend to > > > > > > > be earth shattering to say the least. Me and my cup of coffee > are waiting > > > > > > > to hear about them. > > > > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your > > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom. > > > > > > > > > My, my so my two to three cups of coffee a week is now an > addiction, > > > > > > > amazing.. Omprem we do have very good coffee here in the > Netherlands > > > > > > > (Holland just in case you don't where the Netherlands is) > > > > > > > I think it is time for you to follow the yellow brick road and > return to > > > > > > > your ashram. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > Hatred is so unbecoming showing a lack of spirituality, <sigh> > "But for the > > > > > > > grace of God go I " > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:30 PM, omprem <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my > comments. > > > > > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your > > > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 3:55 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Knowledge entails being separate from that which is > 'known'. But > > > > > > > > > separation means that the knower is not fully aware of the > which he/ > > > > > > > > > she wishes to know. To 'know' the Divine one must attune > themselves > > > > > > > > > to the Divine completely. > > > > > > > > > > > omprem > > > > > > > > > Your statement above shows me that you lack one of the most > important > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > envolving spirituality, wisdom. In your rantings you seem > only to spout > > > > > > > > > dogma and doctrine. The truth is I personally am not > interested in your > > > > > > > > > insults and hatred. > > > > > > > > > > > If I may make a suggestion, why don't you tell us about > your own personal > > > > > > > > > spiritual experience. Something like your going through the > gateless > > > > > > > > > gate.That I will be delighted to read. Now if you try to > feed me dogma > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > doctrine as personal experience I will tell you that also. > > > > > > > > > > > I have my coffee cup n hand and am waiting. > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
