Omprem, it is so nice to see that we are in total agreement here!
On May 20, 5:23 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 19, 6:13 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Yes, attachment to life is all your friend says it is...although w/o
> > the associated vitality it wouldn't be possible to access god either.
>
> OMPREM: The 'vitality' as you put it is in fact known as Prana and it
> is present in any other individualized existence in any alternative
> universe that one find themselves in. It would still enable them to
> access God and when they did they would find that they are had been
> the Prana as well. Prana is a vehicle to take you to the Source both
> of 'you' and of Prana and to enable you to know that you are that
> Source and not just any of its creations. The creations, that is any
> of the universes, their inhabitants, structure and mode of operating
> are all dreams or creations of the Source. As in any dream, each
> aspect of the dream is some aspect of you. You are the Source.
>
> > As to the precise use of English, I agree...I poorly wrote my story.
> > Still, the notion of what one does at least once every two weeks was
> > quite enlightening to me and I hope the same for others.
>
> OMPREM: For this forum, one has to be careful of how they phrase their
> comments.
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 19, 10:32 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Patanjali said that attachment to life is an addiction and an obstacle
> > > to accessing God.
>
> > > In addition, there is a bit of equivocation on the use of the phrase
> > > 'has to use' as opposed to 'uses'. The difference is quite
> > > pronounced.
>
> > > On May 19, 11:28 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > RE: addiction
> > > > Many years ago, a very wise friend of mine defined quantitatively what
> > > > addiction was in a startling, to me, way. He said that anything (not
> > > > needed for life/sustenance) that one has to use at least once every
> > > > two weeks represented an addiction….of sorts. Here, I’m using a
> > > > specific meaning for the term…more like a psychic compensation.
>
> > > > On May 19, 4:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > So your addicted too, fran? Gee, where would you place yourself on
> > > > > the oomp scale of 1 to 10 on coffee addiction?
>
> > > > > On May 19, 3:30 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Hey, ID, I visited the Netherlands for a couple of hours last
> > > > > > Friday!
> > > > > > One of the items I stocked up on was original Senseo coffee pads,
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > cost twice as much in Germany :-)
>
> > > > > > On 19 Mai, 09:18, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments.
>
> > > > > > > That is easy enough i believe you would sit in copyright
> > > > > > > infringement,
> > > > > > > simply because what you have said about spirituality is not
> > > > > > > original.. most
> > > > > > > of it is either quoted or paraphrased from what others have said.
> > > > > > > As I read
> > > > > > > what you say I find it difficult to believe you are not a
> > > > > > > fundamentalist
> > > > > > > christian, despite what you say to the contrary. They can talk a
> > > > > > > lot of talk
> > > > > > > but sadly they tend to lack insight as to the meaning of the
> > > > > > > words they say,
> > > > > > > as a group. But there are some that do tend to rise above this
> > > > > > > tendency.
> > > > > > > Your hatred of others and their belief show me that you are
> > > > > > > insecure in your
> > > > > > > own beliefs, and there is a lot of confusion going on within you.
> > > > > > > Your
> > > > > > > hatred of atheist tells me you are afraid you are one deep
> > > > > > > inside, and that
> > > > > > > frightens you very very much, almost like a child that is
> > > > > > > frightened of the
> > > > > > > unknown. You even called me an atheist, my guardians had a good
> > > > > > > laugh. there
> > > > > > > are many people here with a wide range of views and each one is
> > > > > > > valid. Many
> > > > > > > of these people are far smarter and wiser than I am. Many of us
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > considered "Elders" by our given communities, Yet your treat them
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > absolute disrespect.
> > > > > > > I asked you to share your personal spiritual experiences. You
> > > > > > > reply with "
> > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments."
> > > > > > > Well there
> > > > > > > is a difference between comments and spiritual experience. after
> > > > > > > you have
> > > > > > > gone down a few rabbit holes you will know the difference. Oops
> > > > > > > forgot you
> > > > > > > are not willing to go down the rabbit holes. When you do have
> > > > > > > some personal
> > > > > > > spiritual experiences like walking through the gateless gate,
> > > > > > > they tend to
> > > > > > > be earth shattering to say the least. Me and my cup of coffee
> > > > > > > are waiting
> > > > > > > to hear about them.
>
> > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your
> > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom.
>
> > > > > > > My, my so my two to three cups of coffee a week is now an
> > > > > > > addiction,
> > > > > > > amazing.. Omprem we do have very good coffee here in the
> > > > > > > Netherlands
> > > > > > > (Holland just in case you don't where the Netherlands is)
> > > > > > > I think it is time for you to follow the yellow brick road and
> > > > > > > return to
> > > > > > > your ashram.
> > > > > > > Allan
> > > > > > > Hatred is so unbecoming showing a lack of spirituality, <sigh>
> > > > > > > "But for the
> > > > > > > grace of God go I "
>
> > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:30 PM, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments.
>
> > > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your
> > > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom.
>
> > > > > > > > On May 18, 3:55 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Knowledge entails being separate from that which is 'known'.
> > > > > > > > > But
> > > > > > > > > separation means that the knower is not fully aware of the
> > > > > > > > > which he/
> > > > > > > > > she wishes to know. To 'know' the Divine one must attune
> > > > > > > > > themselves
> > > > > > > > > to the Divine completely.
>
> > > > > > > > > omprem
> > > > > > > > > Your statement above shows me that you lack one of the most
> > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > envolving spirituality, wisdom. In your rantings you seem
> > > > > > > > > only to spout
> > > > > > > > > dogma and doctrine. The truth is I personally am not
> > > > > > > > > interested in your
> > > > > > > > > insults and hatred.
>
> > > > > > > > > If I may make a suggestion, why don't you tell us about your
> > > > > > > > > own personal
> > > > > > > > > spiritual experience. Something like your going through the
> > > > > > > > > gateless
> > > > > > > > > gate.That I will be delighted to read. Now if you try to feed
> > > > > > > > > me dogma
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > doctrine as personal experience I will tell you that also.
>
> > > > > > > > > I have my coffee cup n hand and am waiting.
> > > > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > > I_D Allan
>
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