On May 19, 6:13 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes, attachment to life is all your friend says it is...although w/o
> the associated vitality it wouldn't be possible to access god either.
OMPREM: The 'vitality' as you put it is in fact known as Prana and it
is present in any other individualized existence in any alternative
universe that one find themselves in. It would still enable them to
access God and when they did they would find that they are had been
the Prana as well. Prana is a vehicle to take you to the Source both
of 'you' and of Prana and to enable you to know that you are that
Source and not just any of its creations. The creations, that is any
of the universes, their inhabitants, structure and mode of operating
are all dreams or creations of the Source. As in any dream, each
aspect of the dream is some aspect of you. You are the Source.
> As to the precise use of English, I agree...I poorly wrote my story.
> Still, the notion of what one does at least once every two weeks was
> quite enlightening to me and I hope the same for others.
OMPREM: For this forum, one has to be careful of how they phrase their
comments.
>
> On May 19, 10:32 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Patanjali said that attachment to life is an addiction and an obstacle
> > to accessing God.
>
> > In addition, there is a bit of equivocation on the use of the phrase
> > 'has to use' as opposed to 'uses'. The difference is quite
> > pronounced.
>
> > On May 19, 11:28 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > RE: addiction
> > > Many years ago, a very wise friend of mine defined quantitatively what
> > > addiction was in a startling, to me, way. He said that anything (not
> > > needed for life/sustenance) that one has to use at least once every
> > > two weeks represented an addiction….of sorts. Here, I’m using a
> > > specific meaning for the term…more like a psychic compensation.
>
> > > On May 19, 4:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > So your addicted too, fran? Gee, where would you place yourself on
> > > > the oomp scale of 1 to 10 on coffee addiction?
>
> > > > On May 19, 3:30 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hey, ID, I visited the Netherlands for a couple of hours last Friday!
> > > > > One of the items I stocked up on was original Senseo coffee pads, they
> > > > > cost twice as much in Germany :-)
>
> > > > > On 19 Mai, 09:18, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments.
>
> > > > > > That is easy enough i believe you would sit in copyright
> > > > > > infringement,
> > > > > > simply because what you have said about spirituality is not
> > > > > > original.. most
> > > > > > of it is either quoted or paraphrased from what others have said.
> > > > > > As I read
> > > > > > what you say I find it difficult to believe you are not a
> > > > > > fundamentalist
> > > > > > christian, despite what you say to the contrary. They can talk a
> > > > > > lot of talk
> > > > > > but sadly they tend to lack insight as to the meaning of the words
> > > > > > they say,
> > > > > > as a group. But there are some that do tend to rise above this
> > > > > > tendency.
> > > > > > Your hatred of others and their belief show me that you are
> > > > > > insecure in your
> > > > > > own beliefs, and there is a lot of confusion going on within you.
> > > > > > Your
> > > > > > hatred of atheist tells me you are afraid you are one deep inside,
> > > > > > and that
> > > > > > frightens you very very much, almost like a child that is
> > > > > > frightened of the
> > > > > > unknown. You even called me an atheist, my guardians had a good
> > > > > > laugh. there
> > > > > > are many people here with a wide range of views and each one is
> > > > > > valid. Many
> > > > > > of these people are far smarter and wiser than I am. Many of us are
> > > > > > considered "Elders" by our given communities, Yet your treat them
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > absolute disrespect.
> > > > > > I asked you to share your personal spiritual experiences. You reply
> > > > > > with "
> > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments."
> > > > > > Well there
> > > > > > is a difference between comments and spiritual experience. after
> > > > > > you have
> > > > > > gone down a few rabbit holes you will know the difference. Oops
> > > > > > forgot you
> > > > > > are not willing to go down the rabbit holes. When you do have some
> > > > > > personal
> > > > > > spiritual experiences like walking through the gateless gate, they
> > > > > > tend to
> > > > > > be earth shattering to say the least. Me and my cup of coffee are
> > > > > > waiting
> > > > > > to hear about them.
>
> > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your
> > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom.
>
> > > > > > My, my so my two to three cups of coffee a week is now an
> > > > > > addiction,
> > > > > > amazing.. Omprem we do have very good coffee here in the
> > > > > > Netherlands
> > > > > > (Holland just in case you don't where the Netherlands is)
> > > > > > I think it is time for you to follow the yellow brick road and
> > > > > > return to
> > > > > > your ashram.
> > > > > > Allan
> > > > > > Hatred is so unbecoming showing a lack of spirituality, <sigh>
> > > > > > "But for the
> > > > > > grace of God go I "
>
> > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:30 PM, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments.
>
> > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your
> > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom.
>
> > > > > > > On May 18, 3:55 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Knowledge entails being separate from that which is 'known'. But
> > > > > > > > separation means that the knower is not fully aware of the
> > > > > > > > which he/
> > > > > > > > she wishes to know. To 'know' the Divine one must attune
> > > > > > > > themselves
> > > > > > > > to the Divine completely.
>
> > > > > > > > omprem
> > > > > > > > Your statement above shows me that you lack one of the most
> > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > envolving spirituality, wisdom. In your rantings you seem only
> > > > > > > > to spout
> > > > > > > > dogma and doctrine. The truth is I personally am not interested
> > > > > > > > in your
> > > > > > > > insults and hatred.
>
> > > > > > > > If I may make a suggestion, why don't you tell us about your
> > > > > > > > own personal
> > > > > > > > spiritual experience. Something like your going through the
> > > > > > > > gateless
> > > > > > > > gate.That I will be delighted to read. Now if you try to feed
> > > > > > > > me dogma
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > doctrine as personal experience I will tell you that also.
>
> > > > > > > > I have my coffee cup n hand and am waiting.
> > > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > I_D Allan
>
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> > > > > > )
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