Omp, since you apparently identify with Saivitism, would you mind expanding upon which aspect/school/geographical area etc. you embrace most? Thanks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaivism
On May 20, 4:06 pm, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > On May 20, 12:25 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:23 AM, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > OMPREM: For this forum, one has to be careful of how they phrase their > > > comments. > > > Yes. One should, in particular, avoid ad hominem statements, and unprovable > > generalities such as "All atheists are..." > > > You have made a half dozen blanket statements so far about what Atheists are > > which are simply, to quote you, wrong. > > OMPREM: Nope. Your denial is not convincing. > > You propose to tell me, and fellow > > > atheists here, what our beliefs are, or are not. You are wrong. > > OMPREM: OK. Let's do it your way. You tell any or all of your atheist > beliefs and I will show how they are based on either logic or factual > error. Go. > > You purport > > > to know what it is to be an Atheist. You are wrong. > > OMPREM: See above. > > You purport to > > > understand the thought process, or lack thereof, in choosing to become an > > Atheist. You are wrong. > > OMPREM: Atheists do not have a thought process. They have biases that > they wish to dress up in something like logic to give those biases the > sheen of respectability. Unfortunately they fail. > > > > > In order to avoid this near flawless string of wrongness, the only > > correction needed to your statements was to replace the word "All" in your > > positional statements with the word "some", or some similar disclaimant > > which allows for the fact that Atheists, much like any group of which has a > > similar philosophy, is made up of individuals with vastly different takes on > > that philosophy, and vastly different life paths to have reached that > > philosophy. I cannot argue against the point that "Some atheists believe > > there is no God". I can certainly argue against the point that "All atheists > > believe there is no God", because I am an atheist, and believe no such > > thing. > > OMPREM: Then you are not an atheist. Aren't you glad we got that > cleared up. Do you feel better now. > > > Wisdom can be pointed, with an edge. The razor wit of Mullah Nasruddin and > > the sometimes slashing interjections of Gabby's abstract claws have real > > value, because they are connected to the audience in a way that you are not. > > This is the difference between a teacher and a demagogue of dogma. You are > > standing on a soap box yelling, secure in your perceived authority and > > superiority, not even realizing that you've lost both by not engaging in > > true discourse. Have you forgotten the structure of the Upanishads? They are > > question and answer, conversation, and never did Lord Krisna respond with > > "WRONG." The master leads the seeker with gentle love and wisdom...and ONLY > > the seeker...he does not chase those who do not seek. > > OMPREM: I am not a Vaishnava nor a Bhakti but rather a Saivite > interested in destroying illusion and there is plenty of illusion in > this group. > > It is interesting and contradictory that you claim to be an atheist > and yet cite a God in an attempt to prove your point. > > > > > You are motivated, and educated in your dogma, can recite and quote chapter > > and verse, but true wisdom escapes you still. > > OMPREM: Come back when you have made up your mind whether you are an > atheist or theist and we can talk some more about your errors provided > you also grow up a bit and can focus on substance instead of being > overwhelmed by style. > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 10:32 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Patanjali said that attachment to life is an addiction and an obstacle > > > > > to accessing God. > > > > > > In addition, there is a bit of equivocation on the use of the phrase > > > > > 'has to use' as opposed to 'uses'. The difference is quite > > > > > pronounced. > > > > > > On May 19, 11:28 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > RE: addiction > > > > > > Many years ago, a very wise friend of mine defined quantitatively > > > what > > > > > > addiction was in a startling, to me, way. He said that anything (not > > > > > > needed for life/sustenance) that one has to use at least once every > > > > > > two weeks represented an addiction….of sorts. Here, I’m using a > > > > > > specific meaning for the term…more like a psychic compensation. > > > > > > > On May 19, 4:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > So your addicted too, fran? Gee, where would you place yourself > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the oomp scale of 1 to 10 on coffee addiction? > > > > > > > > On May 19, 3:30 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey, ID, I visited the Netherlands for a couple of hours last > > > Friday! > > > > > > > > One of the items I stocked up on was original Senseo coffee > > > > > > > > pads, > > > they > > > > > > > > cost twice as much in Germany :-) > > > > > > > > > On 19 Mai, 09:18, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments. > > > > > > > > > > That is easy enough i believe you would sit in copyright > > > infringement, > > > > > > > > > simply because what you have said about spirituality is not > > > original.. most > > > > > > > > > of it is either quoted or paraphrased from what others have > > > said. As I read > > > > > > > > > what you say I find it difficult to believe you are not a > > > fundamentalist > > > > > > > > > christian, despite what you say to the contrary. They can talk > > > a lot of talk > > > > > > > > > but sadly they tend to lack insight as to the meaning of the > > > words they say, > > > > > > > > > as a group. But there are some that do tend to rise above this > > > tendency. > > > > > > > > > Your hatred of others and their belief show me that you are > > > insecure in your > > > > > > > > > own beliefs, and there is a lot of confusion going on within > > > you. Your > > > > > > > > > hatred of atheist tells me you are afraid you are one deep > > > inside, and that > > > > > > > > > frightens you very very much, almost like a child that is > > > frightened of the > > > > > > > > > unknown. You even called me an atheist, my guardians had a > > > > > > > > > good > > > laugh. there > > > > > > > > > are many people here with a wide range of views and each one > > > > > > > > > is > > > valid. Many > > > > > > > > > of these people are far smarter and wiser than I am. Many of > > > > > > > > > us > > > are > > > > > > > > > considered "Elders" by our given communities, Yet your treat > > > them with > > > > > > > > > absolute disrespect. > > > > > > > > > I asked you to share your personal spiritual experiences. You > > > reply with " > > > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my > > > > > > > > > comments." > > > Well there > > > > > > > > > is a difference between comments and spiritual experience. > > > after you have > > > > > > > > > gone down a few rabbit holes you will know the difference. > > > > > > > > > Oops > > > forgot you > > > > > > > > > are not willing to go down the rabbit holes. When you do have > > > some personal > > > > > > > > > spiritual experiences like walking through the gateless gate, > > > they tend to > > > > > > > > > be earth shattering to say the least. Me and my cup of coffee > > > are waiting > > > > > > > > > to hear about them. > > > > > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your > > > > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > My, my so my two to three cups of coffee a week is now an > > > addiction, > > > > > > > > > amazing.. Omprem we do have very good coffee here in the > > > Netherlands > > > > > > > > > (Holland just in case you don't where the Netherlands is) > > > > > > > > > I think it is time for you to follow the yellow brick road and > > > return to > > > > > > > > > your ashram. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > Hatred is so unbecoming showing a lack of spirituality, > > > > > > > > > <sigh> > > > "But for the > > > > > > > > > grace of God go I " > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:30 PM, omprem <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my > > > comments. > > > > > > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your > > > > > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual > > > > > > > > > > wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 3:55 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge entails being separate from that which is > > > 'known'. But > > > > > > > > > > > separation means that the knower is not fully aware of the > > > which he/ > > > > > > > > > > > she wishes to know. To 'know' the Divine one must attune > > > themselves > > > > > > > > > > > to the Divine completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > omprem > > > > > > > > > > > Your statement above shows me that you lack one of the > > > > > > > > > > > most > > > important > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > envolving spirituality, wisdom. In your rantings you seem > > > only to spout > > > > > > > > > > > dogma and doctrine. The truth is I personally am not > > > interested in your > > > > > > > > > > > insults and hatred. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may make a suggestion, why don't you tell us about > > > your own personal > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual experience. Something like your going through > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > gateless > > > > > > > > > > > gate.That I will be delighted to read. Now if you try to > > > feed me dogma > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > doctrine as personal experience I will tell you that also. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have my coffee cup n hand and am waiting. > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
