"Shaivism is universal and beyond." - Omp I'm sure it is. And, being ignorant as to which tenets and/or views you embrace fully within that view/way of being, I would appreciate more specifics. I do like to learn. You have said that the Yoga type is not it...but my limited understanding could easily be summed up in that link...so thought that would be a way to take baby steps in learning. If you have time, I'd appreciate a greater understanding. Thanks!
On May 21, 6:57 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > Shaivism is universal and beyond. > > On May 20, 9:08 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Omp, since you apparently identify with Saivitism, would you mind > > expanding upon which aspect/school/geographical area etc. you embrace > > most? > > Thanks.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaivism > > > On May 20, 4:06 pm, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On May 20, 12:25 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:23 AM, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > OMPREM: For this forum, one has to be careful of how they phrase their > > > > > comments. > > > > > Yes. One should, in particular, avoid ad hominem statements, and > > > > unprovable > > > > generalities such as "All atheists are..." > > > > > You have made a half dozen blanket statements so far about what > > > > Atheists are > > > > which are simply, to quote you, wrong. > > > > OMPREM: Nope. Your denial is not convincing. > > > > You propose to tell me, and fellow > > > > > atheists here, what our beliefs are, or are not. You are wrong. > > > > OMPREM: OK. Let's do it your way. You tell any or all of your atheist > > > beliefs and I will show how they are based on either logic or factual > > > error. Go. > > > > You purport > > > > > to know what it is to be an Atheist. You are wrong. > > > > OMPREM: See above. > > > > You purport to > > > > > understand the thought process, or lack thereof, in choosing to become > > > > an > > > > Atheist. You are wrong. > > > > OMPREM: Atheists do not have a thought process. They have biases that > > > they wish to dress up in something like logic to give those biases the > > > sheen of respectability. Unfortunately they fail. > > > > > In order to avoid this near flawless string of wrongness, the only > > > > correction needed to your statements was to replace the word "All" in > > > > your > > > > positional statements with the word "some", or some similar disclaimant > > > > which allows for the fact that Atheists, much like any group of which > > > > has a > > > > similar philosophy, is made up of individuals with vastly different > > > > takes on > > > > that philosophy, and vastly different life paths to have reached that > > > > philosophy. I cannot argue against the point that "Some atheists believe > > > > there is no God". I can certainly argue against the point that "All > > > > atheists > > > > believe there is no God", because I am an atheist, and believe no such > > > > thing. > > > > OMPREM: Then you are not an atheist. Aren't you glad we got that > > > cleared up. Do you feel better now. > > > > > Wisdom can be pointed, with an edge. The razor wit of Mullah Nasruddin > > > > and > > > > the sometimes slashing interjections of Gabby's abstract claws have real > > > > value, because they are connected to the audience in a way that you are > > > > not. > > > > This is the difference between a teacher and a demagogue of dogma. You > > > > are > > > > standing on a soap box yelling, secure in your perceived authority and > > > > superiority, not even realizing that you've lost both by not engaging in > > > > true discourse. Have you forgotten the structure of the Upanishads? > > > > They are > > > > question and answer, conversation, and never did Lord Krisna respond > > > > with > > > > "WRONG." The master leads the seeker with gentle love and wisdom...and > > > > ONLY > > > > the seeker...he does not chase those who do not seek. > > > > OMPREM: I am not a Vaishnava nor a Bhakti but rather a Saivite > > > interested in destroying illusion and there is plenty of illusion in > > > this group. > > > > It is interesting and contradictory that you claim to be an atheist > > > and yet cite a God in an attempt to prove your point. > > > > > You are motivated, and educated in your dogma, can recite and quote > > > > chapter > > > > and verse, but true wisdom escapes you still. > > > > OMPREM: Come back when you have made up your mind whether you are an > > > atheist or theist and we can talk some more about your errors provided > > > you also grow up a bit and can focus on substance instead of being > > > overwhelmed by style. > > > > > > > On May 19, 10:32 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Patanjali said that attachment to life is an addiction and an > > > > > > > obstacle > > > > > > > to accessing God. > > > > > > > > In addition, there is a bit of equivocation on the use of the > > > > > > > phrase > > > > > > > 'has to use' as opposed to 'uses'. The difference is quite > > > > > > > pronounced. > > > > > > > > On May 19, 11:28 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > RE: addiction > > > > > > > > Many years ago, a very wise friend of mine defined > > > > > > > > quantitatively > > > > > what > > > > > > > > addiction was in a startling, to me, way. He said that anything > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > needed for life/sustenance) that one has to use at least once > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > two weeks represented an addiction….of sorts. Here, I’m using a > > > > > > > > specific meaning for the term…more like a psychic compensation. > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 4:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So your addicted too, fran? Gee, where would you place > > > > > > > > > yourself on > > > > > > > > > the oomp scale of 1 to 10 on coffee addiction? > > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 3:30 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, ID, I visited the Netherlands for a couple of hours > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > Friday! > > > > > > > > > > One of the items I stocked up on was original Senseo coffee > > > > > > > > > > pads, > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > cost twice as much in Germany :-) > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Mai, 09:18, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my > > > > > > > > > > > comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is easy enough i believe you would sit in copyright > > > > > infringement, > > > > > > > > > > > simply because what you have said about spirituality is > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > original.. most > > > > > > > > > > > of it is either quoted or paraphrased from what others > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > said. As I read > > > > > > > > > > > what you say I find it difficult to believe you are not a > > > > > fundamentalist > > > > > > > > > > > christian, despite what you say to the contrary. They can > > > > > > > > > > > talk > > > > > a lot of talk > > > > > > > > > > > but sadly they tend to lack insight as to the meaning of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > words they say, > > > > > > > > > > > as a group. But there are some that do tend to rise above > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > tendency. > > > > > > > > > > > Your hatred of others and their belief show me that you > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > insecure in your > > > > > > > > > > > own beliefs, and there is a lot of confusion going on > > > > > > > > > > > within > > > > > you. Your > > > > > > > > > > > hatred of atheist tells me you are afraid you are one deep > > > > > inside, and that > > > > > > > > > > > frightens you very very much, almost like a child that is > > > > > frightened of the > > > > > > > > > > > unknown. You even called me an atheist, my guardians had > > > > > > > > > > > a good > > > > > laugh. there > > > > > > > > > > > are many people here with a wide range of views and each > > > > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > valid. Many > > > > > > > > > > > of these people are far smarter and wiser than I am. Many > > > > > > > > > > > of us > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > considered "Elders" by our given communities, Yet your > > > > > > > > > > > treat > > > > > them with > > > > > > > > > > > absolute disrespect. > > > > > > > > > > > I asked you to share your personal spiritual experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > reply with " > > > > > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my > > > > > > > > > > > comments." > > > > > Well there > > > > > > > > > > > is a difference between comments and spiritual experience. > > > > > after you have > > > > > > > > > > > gone down a few rabbit holes you will know the > > > > > > > > > > > difference. Oops > > > > > forgot you > > > > > > > > > > > are not willing to go down the rabbit holes. When you do > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > some personal > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual experiences like walking through the gateless > > > > > > > > > > > gate, > > > > > they tend to > > > > > > > > > > > be earth shattering to say the least. Me and my cup of > > > > > > > > > > > coffee > > > > > are waiting > > > > > > > > > > > to hear about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > My, my so my two to three cups of coffee a week is now an > > > > > addiction, > > > > > > > > > > > amazing.. Omprem we do have very good coffee here in the > > > > > Netherlands > > > > > > > > > > > (Holland just in case you don't where the Netherlands is) > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is time for you to follow the yellow brick > > > > > > > > > > > road and > > > > > return to > > > > > > > > > > > your ashram. > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > Hatred is so unbecoming showing a lack of spirituality, > > > > > > > > > > > <sigh> > > > > > "But for the > > > > > > > > > > > grace of God go I " > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:30 PM, omprem <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my > > > > > comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 3:55 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge entails being separate from that which is > > > > > 'known'. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation means that the knower is not fully aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > which he/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > she wishes to know. To 'know' the Divine one must > > > > > > > > > > > > > attune > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the Divine completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your statement above shows me that you lack one of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the most > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > envolving spirituality, wisdom. In your rantings you > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem > > > > > only to spout > > > > > > > > > > > > > dogma and doctrine. The- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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