i'll buy that ;-^) ...give me a bushel
On May 20, 10:42 am, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry, I should've clarified. My 'same place' comment meant that
> although I do not practice it, I definitely do not reject it, or
> recognize its truth. I have had those types of experiences, and you
> are correct, they cannot be described in words. That is the the whole
> purpose of the mystic path, to experience truth, which is different
> than being able to recite words that contain seeds of truth in them.
>
> On May 20, 9:08 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > you may be right that they all end up in the same place, but not all
> > the experiences that lead there are the same, and very few have gotten
> > to that 'place' or even close to it from what i can determine. most
> > dont bother to try...it may be true that spiritual experiences lead to
> > 'nirvana', 'heaven', 'god', or whatever one wants to call it, but
> > comparing experiences is nothing i want to partake in, and there is a
> > simple reason for this...it is impossible to describe in words...not
> > even close...i bask in the warmth of my spirit and am happy when i
> > bump into others that do the same thing...love is shared with these
> > people, but experiences are not often discussed other than the stages
> > one might have gone through to get 'there'...
>
> > On May 20, 9:09 am, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I'm not a Buddhist, but it does seem to have the truth. I find that
> > > all the mystic paths end up in the same place.
>
> > > Anyway, this argument has a very Buddhist flavor, somehow we're part
> > > of this great whole, but each of us is imprisoned into our little
> > > realms of personal experience.
>
> > > On May 20, 5:38 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > i have no idea of your experiences and u have no idea of mine... i
> > > > find it bizarre that one could even claim to know anothers experience,
> > > > let alone say they are identical to their own...its like two people go
> > > > to a race track, one has a tercel and the other an F1 racing
> > > > car...they both go around the track at full speed...are their
> > > > experiences the same? similarly, two people state they have had an
> > > > OBE, yet one is looking down on their body lying on the bed, while the
> > > > other is in a blissful 'place' ...hardly comparable are they? they may
> > > > be related, but the same? i think not...
>
> > > > ...and i dont know what u thought u were quoting from my keyboard, the
> > > > whole post or one sentence or one word or??? whatever it was, you
> > > > misinterpreted and misquoted what i was saying because i dont agree
> > > > with your analogy...for example, you say that "This is not another
> > > > reality, it is by your own admission created by your mind."...i said
> > > > no such thing, i stated that i was being pulled from my body, as if by
> > > > a magnet...my mind had NOTHING to do with creating this feeling or the
> > > > following experience... if your body gets drawn into a tornado, is
> > > > your mind creating the situation?
>
> > > > you also say "It is what you imagine the experience to be, to give you
> > > > comfort from the fear of the unknown. "...there is that word
> > > > imagination again in reference to my experience...and if i had fear of
> > > > the unknown i would not have allowed myself to go on the OBE...i did
> > > > have control over that, as mentioned. i have always put out the
> > > > welcome mat for new experiences such as this, the only fear i
> > > > mentioned was that, if i let my spirit leave my body, i was scared an
> > > > evil spirit would move in and hurt the things i care about...
>
> > > > i am glad that u feel u have had the ultimate experience, but please
> > > > do not relate it to mine. i would never presume to know of anothers
> > > > experience, even if they tried to explain it to me...there are many
> > > > stages of 'enlightenment', but the first step up mt everest is not the
> > > > same as standing on the summit...
>
> > > > if you want to consider this an argument, that is your perogative...i
> > > > do not, i am simply disagreeing with your analogy of my experience ;-
> > > > ^)
>
> > > > On May 19, 8:23 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I quoted you, the words came from your keyboard.
>
> > > > > I did not say your spiritual experience was imagined, I have the same
> > > > > experience. It is a common experience, a real experience, with
> > > > > thousands of conflicting descriptions of what and/or why the
> > > > > experience is.
> > > > > It's time for us to quit arguing about what the experience is and
> > > > > acknowledge that it is the experiencing of our 'common link'.
>
> > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > On May 19, 7:42 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > enjoy putting words in my mouth dont u? ;-^) ...i have already
> > > > > > commented on your opinion that my spiritual experiences are just my
> > > > > > imagination, and like i said, that is simply your opinion, and
> > > > > > definately wrong. i do not feel that u are in any position to judge
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > experiences as you were not part of them. i do not know why u keep
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > insisting on this...are all of your experiences just your
> > > > > > imagination
> > > > > > working overtime? and even if they were, does that make them unreal?
>
> > > > > > as mentioned, hallucinations are real to those experiencing them,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > totally unreal to you...why does everybodies reality have to be your
> > > > > > reality? emotions are real, but often felt alone and not by
> > > > > > community...reality to me is not a static non-changing structure
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is the same for everyone. if u think it is i would be interested in
> > > > > > hearing how u come to that determination...
>
> > > > > > On May 19, 6:14 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > "sure there is your
> > > > > > > basic fundamental reality" e_space
>
> > > > > > > That is all that is reality.
>
> > > > > > > "but we also have to consider the voracity
> > > > > > > of the mind to create its own reality" e_space
>
> > > > > > > This is not another reality, it is by your own admission created
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > your mind.
> > > > > > > I know the experience that you have and and can attain it any
> > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > Your definition of the experience is your personal religion. It is
> > > > > > > what you imagine the experience to be, to give you comfort from
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > fear of the unknown.
>
> > > > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > > > On May 18, 6:48 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > im sure that your opinion is based on your reality ;-^)
>
> > > > > > > > On May 18, 5:55 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Sir,
>
> > > > > > > > > Any time you see my name in the upper left hand corner of a
> > > > > > > > > post you
> > > > > > > > > can be assured it is my opinion.
>
> > > > > > > > > I know that you won't let it bother you that my opinion is
> > > > > > > > > based on
> > > > > > > > > reality and not mystical beliefs :-)
>
> > > > > > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 18, 5:12 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > ill take that as your opinion ;-^)
>
> > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 2:58 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:37 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > i think one must consider the difference between
> > > > > > > > > > > > imagination and
> > > > > > > > > > > > inspiration. one is developed, the other realized.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I can agree with that. I'd expand on "realized" to say
> > > > > > > > > > > that it is
> > > > > > > > > > > connecting to the collective intelligence.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > the original feeling that led to a series of OBE's
> > > > > > > > > > > > happened as i was
> > > > > > > > > > > > lying in bed with eyes closed, just before sleep. i
> > > > > > > > > > > > started to get the
> > > > > > > > > > > > sensation of being drawn out of my body, like a strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > magnetic
> > > > > > > > > > > > pulling, and it had nothing to do with imagination.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I would think that you realized (connected to the col.
> > > > > > > > > > > intel.)
> > > > > > > > > > > something greater than your existence, and then you chose
> > > > > > > > > > > to define it
> > > > > > > > > > > as you do.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > i was scared
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > because i felt my spirit was going to leave my body,
> > > > > > > > > > > > and i did not
> > > > > > > > > > > > want an evil spirit to enter while i was gone, so i
> > > > > > > > > > > > resisted. i wanted
> > > > > > > > > > > > to go, but kept shutting the attraction down out of
> > > > > > > > > > > > fear. one day
> > > > > > > > > > > > while experiencing this pulling i said, 'mr devil, im
> > > > > > > > > > > > going on a
> > > > > > > > > > > > journey and u aint allowed into this body while im
> > > > > > > > > > > > gone', then i
> > > > > > > > > > > > released my spirit and i have never been the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > since...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > That you had to tell the devil to leave your body alone
> > > > > > > > > > > leans way
> > > > > > > > > > > towards imagination :-)
>
> > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 3:29 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "desperatly need to beleive"
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the key to understanding all spiritual beliefs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'fear of the unknown' is the root of the 'fear of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > death'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > For the common man (99.99%) the imagination is the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > only relief. For
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the weak imagination, there are plenty of dogmas to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ascribe to for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > comfort needed. Imagining a dogma to be true is good
> > > > > > > > > > > > > enough for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > holding the 'fear' at bay.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > An eternal Life without the elements of Life is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > joke. It's a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ridiculous fabrication of the imagination.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is absolutely no substance to the idea. Every
> > > > > > > > > > > > > belief of an after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Life has absolutely no other source of verification
> > > > > > > > > > > > > than the human
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'living' mind's imagination.
>
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