I quoted you, the words came from your keyboard. I did not say your spiritual experience was imagined, I have the same experience. It is a common experience, a real experience, with thousands of conflicting descriptions of what and/or why the experience is. It's time for us to quit arguing about what the experience is and acknowledge that it is the experiencing of our 'common link'.
peace & Love On May 19, 7:42 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > enjoy putting words in my mouth dont u? ;-^) ...i have already > commented on your opinion that my spiritual experiences are just my > imagination, and like i said, that is simply your opinion, and > definately wrong. i do not feel that u are in any position to judge my > experiences as you were not part of them. i do not know why u keep on > insisting on this...are all of your experiences just your imagination > working overtime? and even if they were, does that make them unreal? > > as mentioned, hallucinations are real to those experiencing them, and > totally unreal to you...why does everybodies reality have to be your > reality? emotions are real, but often felt alone and not by > community...reality to me is not a static non-changing structure that > is the same for everyone. if u think it is i would be interested in > hearing how u come to that determination... > > On May 19, 6:14 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "sure there is your > > basic fundamental reality" e_space > > > That is all that is reality. > > > "but we also have to consider the voracity > > of the mind to create its own reality" e_space > > > This is not another reality, it is by your own admission created by > > your mind. > > I know the experience that you have and and can attain it any time. > > Your definition of the experience is your personal religion. It is > > what you imagine the experience to be, to give you comfort from the > > fear of the unknown. > > > peace & Love > > > On May 18, 6:48 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > im sure that your opinion is based on your reality ;-^) > > > > On May 18, 5:55 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Sir, > > > > > Any time you see my name in the upper left hand corner of a post you > > > > can be assured it is my opinion. > > > > > I know that you won't let it bother you that my opinion is based on > > > > reality and not mystical beliefs :-) > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On May 18, 5:12 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > ill take that as your opinion ;-^) > > > > > > On May 18, 2:58 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:37 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > i think one must consider the difference between imagination and > > > > > > > inspiration. one is developed, the other realized. > > > > > > > I can agree with that. I'd expand on "realized" to say that it is > > > > > > connecting to the collective intelligence. > > > > > > > > the original feeling that led to a series of OBE's happened as i > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > lying in bed with eyes closed, just before sleep. i started to > > > > > > > get the > > > > > > > sensation of being drawn out of my body, like a strong magnetic > > > > > > > pulling, and it had nothing to do with imagination. > > > > > > > I would think that you realized (connected to the col. intel.) > > > > > > something greater than your existence, and then you chose to define > > > > > > it > > > > > > as you do. > > > > > > > i was scared > > > > > > > > because i felt my spirit was going to leave my body, and i did not > > > > > > > want an evil spirit to enter while i was gone, so i resisted. i > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > to go, but kept shutting the attraction down out of fear. one day > > > > > > > while experiencing this pulling i said, 'mr devil, im going on a > > > > > > > journey and u aint allowed into this body while im gone', then i > > > > > > > released my spirit and i have never been the same since... > > > > > > > That you had to tell the devil to leave your body alone leans way > > > > > > towards imagination :-) > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > On May 16, 3:29 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "desperatly need to beleive" > > > > > > > > > That's the key to understanding all spiritual beliefs. > > > > > > > > The 'fear of the unknown' is the root of the 'fear of death'. > > > > > > > > For the common man (99.99%) the imagination is the only relief. > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > the weak imagination, there are plenty of dogmas to ascribe to > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > comfort needed. Imagining a dogma to be true is good enough for > > > > > > > > holding the 'fear' at bay. > > > > > > > > > An eternal Life without the elements of Life is a joke. It's a > > > > > > > > ridiculous fabrication of the imagination. > > > > > > > > There is absolutely no substance to the idea. Every belief of > > > > > > > > an after > > > > > > > > Life has absolutely no other source of verification than the > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > 'living' mind's imagination. > > > > > > > > Everything spiritual has the Life as a reference point. All of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > mystical mediums can gain the knowledge, they claim comes from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > dead, from the collective intelligence of mankind. > > > > > > > > The collective intelligence is the only thing 'spiritual' about > > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > You are not alone, but we are very few who can face the 'fear'. > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 4:24 am, buddahspath <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > just pondering a thought after a tramatic funeral and evening > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > emotional arguments between me[AGNOSTIC PHILOSIPHER] and my > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > fundementalist christians. who desperatly need to beleive > > > > > > > > > what they > > > > > > > > > have taught to believe is reality.i beleve to be irrational > > > > > > > > > brainwashing! i am well aware that i have no comforting fairy > > > > > > > > > tales of > > > > > > > > > wonderful afterlife.i seriously doubt that a eternal life > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > interestig challenges would be a tortureous hell! but maybe > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > could be some sort of nirvanic stages to grow as individuals > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > universe? but i guess as long my brain,heart,lungs and > > > > > > > > > nervous system > > > > > > > > > cooperate i journey through my own dream,fantasies and > > > > > > > > > delusions of my > > > > > > > > > imagination! doubt that i am the only souljourner on the road > > > > > > > > > less > > > > > > > > > travelled!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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