Hah!. The thing is that those seeds are so are so abundant that anybody can scrap up a potential bushel's worth, it's the whole planting and watering thing that is the issue. Labor is *such* hard work.
On May 20, 9:48 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > i'll buy that ;-^) ...give me a bushel > > On May 20, 10:42 am, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Sorry, I should've clarified. My 'same place' comment meant that > > although I do not practice it, I definitely do not reject it, or > > recognize its truth. I have had those types of experiences, and you > > are correct, they cannot be described in words. That is the the whole > > purpose of the mystic path, to experience truth, which is different > > than being able to recite words that contain seeds of truth in them. > > > On May 20, 9:08 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > you may be right that they all end up in the same place, but not all > > > the experiences that lead there are the same, and very few have gotten > > > to that 'place' or even close to it from what i can determine. most > > > dont bother to try...it may be true that spiritual experiences lead to > > > 'nirvana', 'heaven', 'god', or whatever one wants to call it, but > > > comparing experiences is nothing i want to partake in, and there is a > > > simple reason for this...it is impossible to describe in words...not > > > even close...i bask in the warmth of my spirit and am happy when i > > > bump into others that do the same thing...love is shared with these > > > people, but experiences are not often discussed other than the stages > > > one might have gone through to get 'there'... > > > > On May 20, 9:09 am, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm not a Buddhist, but it does seem to have the truth. I find that > > > > all the mystic paths end up in the same place. > > > > > Anyway, this argument has a very Buddhist flavor, somehow we're part > > > > of this great whole, but each of us is imprisoned into our little > > > > realms of personal experience. > > > > > On May 20, 5:38 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > i have no idea of your experiences and u have no idea of mine... i > > > > > find it bizarre that one could even claim to know anothers experience, > > > > > let alone say they are identical to their own...its like two people go > > > > > to a race track, one has a tercel and the other an F1 racing > > > > > car...they both go around the track at full speed...are their > > > > > experiences the same? similarly, two people state they have had an > > > > > OBE, yet one is looking down on their body lying on the bed, while the > > > > > other is in a blissful 'place' ...hardly comparable are they? they may > > > > > be related, but the same? i think not... > > > > > > ...and i dont know what u thought u were quoting from my keyboard, the > > > > > whole post or one sentence or one word or??? whatever it was, you > > > > > misinterpreted and misquoted what i was saying because i dont agree > > > > > with your analogy...for example, you say that "This is not another > > > > > reality, it is by your own admission created by your mind."...i said > > > > > no such thing, i stated that i was being pulled from my body, as if by > > > > > a magnet...my mind had NOTHING to do with creating this feeling or the > > > > > following experience... if your body gets drawn into a tornado, is > > > > > your mind creating the situation? > > > > > > you also say "It is what you imagine the experience to be, to give you > > > > > comfort from the fear of the unknown. "...there is that word > > > > > imagination again in reference to my experience...and if i had fear of > > > > > the unknown i would not have allowed myself to go on the OBE...i did > > > > > have control over that, as mentioned. i have always put out the > > > > > welcome mat for new experiences such as this, the only fear i > > > > > mentioned was that, if i let my spirit leave my body, i was scared an > > > > > evil spirit would move in and hurt the things i care about... > > > > > > i am glad that u feel u have had the ultimate experience, but please > > > > > do not relate it to mine. i would never presume to know of anothers > > > > > experience, even if they tried to explain it to me...there are many > > > > > stages of 'enlightenment', but the first step up mt everest is not the > > > > > same as standing on the summit... > > > > > > if you want to consider this an argument, that is your perogative...i > > > > > do not, i am simply disagreeing with your analogy of my experience ;- > > > > > ^) > > > > > > On May 19, 8:23 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I quoted you, the words came from your keyboard. > > > > > > > I did not say your spiritual experience was imagined, I have the > > > > > > same > > > > > > experience. It is a common experience, a real experience, with > > > > > > thousands of conflicting descriptions of what and/or why the > > > > > > experience is. > > > > > > It's time for us to quit arguing about what the experience is and > > > > > > acknowledge that it is the experiencing of our 'common link'. > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > On May 19, 7:42 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > enjoy putting words in my mouth dont u? ;-^) ...i have already > > > > > > > commented on your opinion that my spiritual experiences are just > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > imagination, and like i said, that is simply your opinion, and > > > > > > > definately wrong. i do not feel that u are in any position to > > > > > > > judge my > > > > > > > experiences as you were not part of them. i do not know why u > > > > > > > keep on > > > > > > > insisting on this...are all of your experiences just your > > > > > > > imagination > > > > > > > working overtime? and even if they were, does that make them > > > > > > > unreal? > > > > > > > > as mentioned, hallucinations are real to those experiencing them, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > totally unreal to you...why does everybodies reality have to be > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > reality? emotions are real, but often felt alone and not by > > > > > > > community...reality to me is not a static non-changing structure > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > is the same for everyone. if u think it is i would be interested > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > hearing how u come to that determination... > > > > > > > > On May 19, 6:14 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "sure there is your > > > > > > > > basic fundamental reality" e_space > > > > > > > > > That is all that is reality. > > > > > > > > > "but we also have to consider the voracity > > > > > > > > of the mind to create its own reality" e_space > > > > > > > > > This is not another reality, it is by your own admission > > > > > > > > created by > > > > > > > > your mind. > > > > > > > > I know the experience that you have and and can attain it any > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > Your definition of the experience is your personal religion. It > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > what you imagine the experience to be, to give you comfort from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > fear of the unknown. > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 6:48 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > im sure that your opinion is based on your reality ;-^) > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 5:55 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > Any time you see my name in the upper left hand corner of a > > > > > > > > > > post you > > > > > > > > > > can be assured it is my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you won't let it bother you that my opinion is > > > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > > reality and not mystical beliefs :-) > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 5:12 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ill take that as your opinion ;-^) > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 2:58 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:37 pm, e_space <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think one must consider the difference between > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination and > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspiration. one is developed, the other realized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can agree with that. I'd expand on "realized" to say > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is > > > > > > > > > > > > connecting to the collective intelligence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the original feeling that led to a series of OBE's > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened as i was > > > > > > > > > > > > > lying in bed with eyes closed, just before sleep. i > > > > > > > > > > > > > started to get the > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensation of being drawn out of my body, like a > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong magnetic > > > > > > > > > > > > > pulling, and it had nothing to do with imagination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think that you realized (connected to the col. > > > > > > > > > > > > intel.) > > > > > > > > > > > > something greater than your existence, and then you > > > > > > > > > > > > chose to define it > > > > > > > > > > > > as you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was scared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i felt my spirit was going to leave my body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i did not > > > > > > > > > > > > > want an evil spirit to enter while i was gone, so i > > > > > > > > > > > > > resisted. i wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > to go, but kept shutting the attraction down out of > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. one day > > > > > > > > > > > > > while experiencing this pulling i said, 'mr devil, im > > > > > > > > > > > > > going on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > journey and u aint allowed into this body while im > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone', then i > > > > > > > > > > > > > released my spirit and i have never been the same > > > > > > > > > > > > > since... > > > > > > > > > > > > > That you had to tell the devil to leave your body alone > > > > > > > > > > > > leans way > > > > > > > > > > > > towards imagination :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 3:29 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "desperatly need to beleive" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the key to understanding all spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'fear of the unknown' is the root of the 'fear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of death'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the common man (99.99%) the imagination is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only relief. For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the weak imagination, there are plenty of dogmas to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ascribe to for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comfort needed. Imagining a dogma to be true is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good enough for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > holding the 'fear' at bay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
