I'm not a Buddhist, but it does seem to have the truth. I find that all the mystic paths end up in the same place.
Anyway, this argument has a very Buddhist flavor, somehow we're part of this great whole, but each of us is imprisoned into our little realms of personal experience. On May 20, 5:38 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > i have no idea of your experiences and u have no idea of mine... i > find it bizarre that one could even claim to know anothers experience, > let alone say they are identical to their own...its like two people go > to a race track, one has a tercel and the other an F1 racing > car...they both go around the track at full speed...are their > experiences the same? similarly, two people state they have had an > OBE, yet one is looking down on their body lying on the bed, while the > other is in a blissful 'place' ...hardly comparable are they? they may > be related, but the same? i think not... > > ...and i dont know what u thought u were quoting from my keyboard, the > whole post or one sentence or one word or??? whatever it was, you > misinterpreted and misquoted what i was saying because i dont agree > with your analogy...for example, you say that "This is not another > reality, it is by your own admission created by your mind."...i said > no such thing, i stated that i was being pulled from my body, as if by > a magnet...my mind had NOTHING to do with creating this feeling or the > following experience... if your body gets drawn into a tornado, is > your mind creating the situation? > > you also say "It is what you imagine the experience to be, to give you > comfort from the fear of the unknown. "...there is that word > imagination again in reference to my experience...and if i had fear of > the unknown i would not have allowed myself to go on the OBE...i did > have control over that, as mentioned. i have always put out the > welcome mat for new experiences such as this, the only fear i > mentioned was that, if i let my spirit leave my body, i was scared an > evil spirit would move in and hurt the things i care about... > > i am glad that u feel u have had the ultimate experience, but please > do not relate it to mine. i would never presume to know of anothers > experience, even if they tried to explain it to me...there are many > stages of 'enlightenment', but the first step up mt everest is not the > same as standing on the summit... > > if you want to consider this an argument, that is your perogative...i > do not, i am simply disagreeing with your analogy of my experience ;- > ^) > > On May 19, 8:23 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I quoted you, the words came from your keyboard. > > > I did not say your spiritual experience was imagined, I have the same > > experience. It is a common experience, a real experience, with > > thousands of conflicting descriptions of what and/or why the > > experience is. > > It's time for us to quit arguing about what the experience is and > > acknowledge that it is the experiencing of our 'common link'. > > > peace & Love > > > On May 19, 7:42 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > enjoy putting words in my mouth dont u? ;-^) ...i have already > > > commented on your opinion that my spiritual experiences are just my > > > imagination, and like i said, that is simply your opinion, and > > > definately wrong. i do not feel that u are in any position to judge my > > > experiences as you were not part of them. i do not know why u keep on > > > insisting on this...are all of your experiences just your imagination > > > working overtime? and even if they were, does that make them unreal? > > > > as mentioned, hallucinations are real to those experiencing them, and > > > totally unreal to you...why does everybodies reality have to be your > > > reality? emotions are real, but often felt alone and not by > > > community...reality to me is not a static non-changing structure that > > > is the same for everyone. if u think it is i would be interested in > > > hearing how u come to that determination... > > > > On May 19, 6:14 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "sure there is your > > > > basic fundamental reality" e_space > > > > > That is all that is reality. > > > > > "but we also have to consider the voracity > > > > of the mind to create its own reality" e_space > > > > > This is not another reality, it is by your own admission created by > > > > your mind. > > > > I know the experience that you have and and can attain it any time. > > > > Your definition of the experience is your personal religion. It is > > > > what you imagine the experience to be, to give you comfort from the > > > > fear of the unknown. > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On May 18, 6:48 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > im sure that your opinion is based on your reality ;-^) > > > > > > On May 18, 5:55 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > Any time you see my name in the upper left hand corner of a post you > > > > > > can be assured it is my opinion. > > > > > > > I know that you won't let it bother you that my opinion is based on > > > > > > reality and not mystical beliefs :-) > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > On May 18, 5:12 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > ill take that as your opinion ;-^) > > > > > > > > On May 18, 2:58 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:37 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > i think one must consider the difference between imagination > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > inspiration. one is developed, the other realized. > > > > > > > > > I can agree with that. I'd expand on "realized" to say that it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > connecting to the collective intelligence. > > > > > > > > > > the original feeling that led to a series of OBE's happened > > > > > > > > > as i was > > > > > > > > > lying in bed with eyes closed, just before sleep. i started > > > > > > > > > to get the > > > > > > > > > sensation of being drawn out of my body, like a strong > > > > > > > > > magnetic > > > > > > > > > pulling, and it had nothing to do with imagination. > > > > > > > > > I would think that you realized (connected to the col. intel.) > > > > > > > > something greater than your existence, and then you chose to > > > > > > > > define it > > > > > > > > as you do. > > > > > > > > > i was scared > > > > > > > > > > because i felt my spirit was going to leave my body, and i > > > > > > > > > did not > > > > > > > > > want an evil spirit to enter while i was gone, so i resisted. > > > > > > > > > i wanted > > > > > > > > > to go, but kept shutting the attraction down out of fear. one > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > while experiencing this pulling i said, 'mr devil, im going > > > > > > > > > on a > > > > > > > > > journey and u aint allowed into this body while im gone', > > > > > > > > > then i > > > > > > > > > released my spirit and i have never been the same since... > > > > > > > > > That you had to tell the devil to leave your body alone leans > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > towards imagination :-) > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 3:29 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "desperatly need to beleive" > > > > > > > > > > > That's the key to understanding all spiritual beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > The 'fear of the unknown' is the root of the 'fear of > > > > > > > > > > death'. > > > > > > > > > > For the common man (99.99%) the imagination is the only > > > > > > > > > > relief. For > > > > > > > > > > the weak imagination, there are plenty of dogmas to ascribe > > > > > > > > > > to for the > > > > > > > > > > comfort needed. Imagining a dogma to be true is good enough > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > holding the 'fear' at bay. > > > > > > > > > > > An eternal Life without the elements of Life is a joke. > > > > > > > > > > It's a > > > > > > > > > > ridiculous fabrication of the imagination. > > > > > > > > > > There is absolutely no substance to the idea. Every belief > > > > > > > > > > of an after > > > > > > > > > > Life has absolutely no other source of verification than > > > > > > > > > > the human > > > > > > > > > > 'living' mind's imagination. > > > > > > > > > > Everything spiritual has the Life as a reference point. All > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > mystical mediums can gain the knowledge, they claim comes > > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > dead, from the collective intelligence of mankind. > > > > > > > > > > The collective intelligence is the only thing 'spiritual' > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > You are not alone, but we are very few who can face the > > > > > > > > > > 'fear'. > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 4:24 am, buddahspath <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > just pondering a thought after a tramatic funeral and > > > > > > > > > > > evening of > > > > > > > > > > > emotional arguments between me[AGNOSTIC PHILOSIPHER] and > > > > > > > > > > > my family > > > > > > > > > > > fundementalist christians. who desperatly need to beleive > > > > > > > > > > > what they > > > > > > > > > > > have taught to believe is reality.i beleve to be > > > > > > > > > > > irrational > > > > > > > > > > > brainwashing! i am well aware that i have no comforting > > > > > > > > > > > fairy tales of > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful afterlife.i seriously doubt that a eternal life > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > interestig challenges would be a tortureous hell! but > > > > > > > > > > > maybe there > > > > > > > > > > > could be some sort of nirvanic stages to grow as > > > > > > > > > > > individuals and > > > > > > > > > > > universe? but i guess as long my brain,heart,lungs and > > > > > > > > > > > nervous system > > > > > > > > > > > cooperate i journey through my own dream,fantasies and > > > > > > > > > > > delusions of my > > > > > > > > > > > imagination! doubt that i am the only souljourner on the > > > > > > > > > > > road less > > > > > > > > > > > travelled!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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