i have no idea of your experiences and u have no idea of mine... i find it bizarre that one could even claim to know anothers experience, let alone say they are identical to their own...its like two people go to a race track, one has a tercel and the other an F1 racing car...they both go around the track at full speed...are their experiences the same? similarly, two people state they have had an OBE, yet one is looking down on their body lying on the bed, while the other is in a blissful 'place' ...hardly comparable are they? they may be related, but the same? i think not...
...and i dont know what u thought u were quoting from my keyboard, the whole post or one sentence or one word or??? whatever it was, you misinterpreted and misquoted what i was saying because i dont agree with your analogy...for example, you say that "This is not another reality, it is by your own admission created by your mind."...i said no such thing, i stated that i was being pulled from my body, as if by a magnet...my mind had NOTHING to do with creating this feeling or the following experience... if your body gets drawn into a tornado, is your mind creating the situation? you also say "It is what you imagine the experience to be, to give you comfort from the fear of the unknown. "...there is that word imagination again in reference to my experience...and if i had fear of the unknown i would not have allowed myself to go on the OBE...i did have control over that, as mentioned. i have always put out the welcome mat for new experiences such as this, the only fear i mentioned was that, if i let my spirit leave my body, i was scared an evil spirit would move in and hurt the things i care about... i am glad that u feel u have had the ultimate experience, but please do not relate it to mine. i would never presume to know of anothers experience, even if they tried to explain it to me...there are many stages of 'enlightenment', but the first step up mt everest is not the same as standing on the summit... if you want to consider this an argument, that is your perogative...i do not, i am simply disagreeing with your analogy of my experience ;- ^) On May 19, 8:23 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > I quoted you, the words came from your keyboard. > > I did not say your spiritual experience was imagined, I have the same > experience. It is a common experience, a real experience, with > thousands of conflicting descriptions of what and/or why the > experience is. > It's time for us to quit arguing about what the experience is and > acknowledge that it is the experiencing of our 'common link'. > > peace & Love > > On May 19, 7:42 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > enjoy putting words in my mouth dont u? ;-^) ...i have already > > commented on your opinion that my spiritual experiences are just my > > imagination, and like i said, that is simply your opinion, and > > definately wrong. i do not feel that u are in any position to judge my > > experiences as you were not part of them. i do not know why u keep on > > insisting on this...are all of your experiences just your imagination > > working overtime? and even if they were, does that make them unreal? > > > as mentioned, hallucinations are real to those experiencing them, and > > totally unreal to you...why does everybodies reality have to be your > > reality? emotions are real, but often felt alone and not by > > community...reality to me is not a static non-changing structure that > > is the same for everyone. if u think it is i would be interested in > > hearing how u come to that determination... > > > On May 19, 6:14 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "sure there is your > > > basic fundamental reality" e_space > > > > That is all that is reality. > > > > "but we also have to consider the voracity > > > of the mind to create its own reality" e_space > > > > This is not another reality, it is by your own admission created by > > > your mind. > > > I know the experience that you have and and can attain it any time. > > > Your definition of the experience is your personal religion. It is > > > what you imagine the experience to be, to give you comfort from the > > > fear of the unknown. > > > > peace & Love > > > > On May 18, 6:48 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > im sure that your opinion is based on your reality ;-^) > > > > > On May 18, 5:55 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > Any time you see my name in the upper left hand corner of a post you > > > > > can be assured it is my opinion. > > > > > > I know that you won't let it bother you that my opinion is based on > > > > > reality and not mystical beliefs :-) > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On May 18, 5:12 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > ill take that as your opinion ;-^) > > > > > > > On May 18, 2:58 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:37 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > i think one must consider the difference between imagination and > > > > > > > > inspiration. one is developed, the other realized. > > > > > > > > I can agree with that. I'd expand on "realized" to say that it is > > > > > > > connecting to the collective intelligence. > > > > > > > > > the original feeling that led to a series of OBE's happened as > > > > > > > > i was > > > > > > > > lying in bed with eyes closed, just before sleep. i started to > > > > > > > > get the > > > > > > > > sensation of being drawn out of my body, like a strong magnetic > > > > > > > > pulling, and it had nothing to do with imagination. > > > > > > > > I would think that you realized (connected to the col. intel.) > > > > > > > something greater than your existence, and then you chose to > > > > > > > define it > > > > > > > as you do. > > > > > > > > i was scared > > > > > > > > > because i felt my spirit was going to leave my body, and i did > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > want an evil spirit to enter while i was gone, so i resisted. i > > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > to go, but kept shutting the attraction down out of fear. one > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > while experiencing this pulling i said, 'mr devil, im going on a > > > > > > > > journey and u aint allowed into this body while im gone', then i > > > > > > > > released my spirit and i have never been the same since... > > > > > > > > That you had to tell the devil to leave your body alone leans way > > > > > > > towards imagination :-) > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 3:29 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "desperatly need to beleive" > > > > > > > > > > That's the key to understanding all spiritual beliefs. > > > > > > > > > The 'fear of the unknown' is the root of the 'fear of death'. > > > > > > > > > For the common man (99.99%) the imagination is the only > > > > > > > > > relief. For > > > > > > > > > the weak imagination, there are plenty of dogmas to ascribe > > > > > > > > > to for the > > > > > > > > > comfort needed. Imagining a dogma to be true is good enough > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > holding the 'fear' at bay. > > > > > > > > > > An eternal Life without the elements of Life is a joke. It's a > > > > > > > > > ridiculous fabrication of the imagination. > > > > > > > > > There is absolutely no substance to the idea. Every belief of > > > > > > > > > an after > > > > > > > > > Life has absolutely no other source of verification than the > > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > 'living' mind's imagination. > > > > > > > > > Everything spiritual has the Life as a reference point. All > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > mystical mediums can gain the knowledge, they claim comes > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > dead, from the collective intelligence of mankind. > > > > > > > > > The collective intelligence is the only thing 'spiritual' > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > > You are not alone, but we are very few who can face the > > > > > > > > > 'fear'. > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 4:24 am, buddahspath <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > just pondering a thought after a tramatic funeral and > > > > > > > > > > evening of > > > > > > > > > > emotional arguments between me[AGNOSTIC PHILOSIPHER] and my > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > fundementalist christians. who desperatly need to beleive > > > > > > > > > > what they > > > > > > > > > > have taught to believe is reality.i beleve to be irrational > > > > > > > > > > brainwashing! i am well aware that i have no comforting > > > > > > > > > > fairy tales of > > > > > > > > > > wonderful afterlife.i seriously doubt that a eternal life > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > interestig challenges would be a tortureous hell! but maybe > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > could be some sort of nirvanic stages to grow as > > > > > > > > > > individuals and > > > > > > > > > > universe? but i guess as long my brain,heart,lungs and > > > > > > > > > > nervous system > > > > > > > > > > cooperate i journey through my own dream,fantasies and > > > > > > > > > > delusions of my > > > > > > > > > > imagination! doubt that i am the only souljourner on the > > > > > > > > > > road less > > > > > > > > > > travelled!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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