On May 20, 5:04 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 20, 8:39 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On May 19, 8:05 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > You are so right, attachment to Life is an addiction, if you are not
> > > attached to Life you are DEAD.
>
> > OMPREM: Nope. All death means is a change of venue: 'you' still exist
> > in another form on another plane of existence.
>
> Prove it. Die, then repeat that statement, I'll be listening :-)
OMPREM: If you had the capacity to hear astral beings you would not
be here whining about them.
>
> > > It is total BS to say Life is an obstacle to accessing God. If you are
> > > dead your brain does Not generate the mind which is the only means by
> > > which any person here and now or at any time in the past has ever
> > > accessed God.
>
> > OMPREM: There are many centers of consciousness besides the mind.
> > Moreover, the mind survives death along with everything else except
> > the physical body. Your mistake is to equate the mind and
> > consciousness as originating with brain function.
>
> There is one center of consciousness, the brain. Your fantasy has no
> substance, my brain does.
> I'm very familiar with the realm of your beliefs. I know what you're
> talking about and it is your imagination boosted by dogma.
OMPREM: You are sadly out of touch even with 'discoveries' in the
scientific community. You could start with Dr. Candace Pert's,
Molecules of Emotion and then get back to me. It's OK, go ahead,
google her because I know you have not heard of her.
>
> > > Your dogma is nothing but one of many different descriptions of
> > > something that is common to all mankind. The connection in our brain
> > > generated mind is to our collective intelligence and it's called by a
> > > hundred different names to support ones own personal glorification and
> > > excuse to put someone else down as inferior.
>
> > OMPREM: Wrong. But the answer is right in front of you. If it is the
> > brain that is totally responsible for the existence of the mind how
> > then can there be 'collective intelligence'?
>
> The brain produces an energy that reaches beyond the physical being
> and unites as the collective intelligence. It's very simple, no
> mystical BS about it.
OMPREM: This is too good to pass up. Now I know you atheists claim to
value reason, logic and empiricism so show me this 'collective
intelligence' and tell me how you know about it (on an empirical basis
of course.) Is it something like the collective intelligence of
lemmings as they hurtle over the cliff?
> > According to your brain = consciousness theory there can only be
> > conventionally-held beliefs,
> > that is individual beliefs that people have also agreed upon.
>
> How do you come up with that? My brain = consciousness theory?
>
> But
>
> > 'collective intelligence' which you also claim to believe in is
> > different from those conventional beliefs. With 'collective
> > intelligence' you are getting into Oneness and the paranormal, two
> > areas that atheists deny.
>
> The collective intelligence doesn't store BS. I'm an atheist by any
> dogmatic definition of God. I understand the One and know there are
> 'paranormal' things.
> Your ignorance of what an atheist believes is showing :-)
OMPREM: You seem to be labouring under the misconception that
religion posits an individualized God and you are wrong. No religion
claims that God is an individual.
Here's a hint: Religions say God is everywhere all the time and that
it is all God. This, of course, means that God is not an individual
because for God to be an individual there has to be somewhere where
God is not which not possible according to religions. Do you get it
now?
> > > You need to get over your personal claim to superiority and recognize
> > > the fact that our collective intelligence is God, as far as Life on
> > > Earth is concerned. Your personal dogma is the support of selfishness.
> > > And the world is going down the tube because of it.
> > OMPREM: I agree that collective intelligence is God but so too
> > therefore must each part of the collective intelligence be God. It's
> > all God.
>
> Yes. So?
> It is your refusal to accept your own true nature and leads
>
> > you to mistakenly categorize others who do so as 'selfish'.
>
> I Am, a Live human. There is no selfishness to that claim by any
> other.
OMPREM: This is another mistake that atheists make. They focus
exclusively on the physical aspect of being human and are completely
unaware of the transcendental aspect. More sadly, because of their
type of consciousness that locks them into sense impressions, they
are utterly incapable of knowing the transcendental about themselves.
>
> Those
> > others, such as me, who are aware of and identify with their Divine
> > nature are most assuredly not selfish because to be selfish is to be
> > unaware of one's ultimate nature and to think of themselves as
> > individual entities.
>
> To flaunt your divine nature for self glorification and to claim
> superiority IS selfish.
OMPREM: And yet I didn't do that.
>
> Selfish is to stand outside of that collective
>
> > consciousness and not know God. That seems to describe you by your own
> > admission. But all works out over time.
>
> So you are saying that somebody can separate them self from the One?
> I can't do that.
>
> peace & Love
>
> > > On May 19, 1:32 pm, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Patanjali said that attachment to life is an addiction and an obstacle
> > > > to accessing God.
>
> > > > In addition, there is a bit of equivocation on the use of the phrase
> > > > 'has to use' as opposed to 'uses'. The difference is quite
> > > > pronounced.
>
> > > > On May 19, 11:28 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > RE: addiction
> > > > > Many years ago, a very wise friend of mine defined quantitatively what
> > > > > addiction was in a startling, to me, way. He said that anything (not
> > > > > needed for life/sustenance) that one has to use at least once every
> > > > > two weeks represented an addiction….of sorts. Here, I’m using a
> > > > > specific meaning for the term…more like a psychic compensation.
>
> > > > > On May 19, 4:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > So your addicted too, fran? Gee, where would you place yourself on
> > > > > > the oomp scale of 1 to 10 on coffee addiction?
>
> > > > > > On May 19, 3:30 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Hey, ID, I visited the Netherlands for a couple of hours last
> > > > > > > Friday!
> > > > > > > One of the items I stocked up on was original Senseo coffee pads,
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > cost twice as much in Germany :-)
>
> > > > > > > On 19 Mai, 09:18, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments.
>
> > > > > > > > That is easy enough i believe you would sit in copyright
> > > > > > > > infringement,
> > > > > > > > simply because what you have said about spirituality is not
> > > > > > > > original.. most
> > > > > > > > of it is either quoted or paraphrased from what others have
> > > > > > > > said. As I read
> > > > > > > > what you say I find it difficult to believe you are not a
> > > > > > > > fundamentalist
> > > > > > > > christian, despite what you say to the contrary. They can talk
> > > > > > > > a lot of talk
> > > > > > > > but sadly they tend to lack insight as to the meaning of the
> > > > > > > > words they say,
> > > > > > > > as a group. But there are some that do tend to rise above this
> > > > > > > > tendency.
> > > > > > > > Your hatred of others and their belief show me that you are
> > > > > > > > insecure in your
> > > > > > > > own beliefs, and there is a lot of confusion going on within
> > > > > > > > you. Your
> > > > > > > > hatred of atheist tells me you are afraid you are one deep
> > > > > > > > inside, and that
> > > > > > > > frightens you very very much, almost like a child that is
> > > > > > > > frightened of the
> > > > > > > > unknown. You even called me an atheist, my guardians had a good
> > > > > > > > laugh. there
> > > > > > > > are many people here with a wide range of views and each one is
> > > > > > > > valid. Many
> > > > > > > > of these people are far smarter and wiser than I am. Many of us
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > considered "Elders" by our given communities, Yet your treat
> > > > > > > > them with
> > > > > > > > absolute disrespect.
> > > > > > > > I asked you to share your personal spiritual experiences. You
> > > > > > > > reply with "
> > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments."
> > > > > > > > Well there
> > > > > > > > is a difference between comments and spiritual experience.
> > > > > > > > after you have
> > > > > > > > gone down a few rabbit holes you will know the difference. Oops
> > > > > > > > forgot you
> > > > > > > > are not willing to go down the rabbit holes. When you do have
> > > > > > > > some personal
> > > > > > > > spiritual experiences like walking through the gateless gate,
> > > > > > > > they tend to
> > > > > > > > be earth shattering to say the least. Me and my cup of coffee
> > > > > > > > are waiting
> > > > > > > > to hear about them.
>
> > > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your
> > > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom.
>
> > > > > > > > My, my so my two to three cups of coffee a week is now an
> > > > > > > > addiction,
> > > > > > > > amazing.. Omprem we do have very good coffee here in the
> > > > > > > > Netherlands
> > > > > > > > (Holland just in case you don't where the Netherlands is)
> > > > > > > > I think it is time for you to follow the yellow brick road and
> > > > > > > > return to
> > > > > > > > your ashram.
> > > > > > > > Allan
> > > > > > > > Hatred is so unbecoming showing a lack of spirituality, <sigh>
> > > > > > > > "But for the
> > > > > > > > grace of God go I "
>
> > > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:30 PM, omprem <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments.
>
> > > > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your
> > > > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom.
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 18, 3:55 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Knowledge entails being separate from that which is
> > > > > > > > > > 'known'. But
> > > > > > > > > > separation means that the knower is not fully aware of the
> > > > > > > > > > which he/
> > > > > > > > > > she wishes to know. To 'know' the Divine one must attune
> > > > > > > > > > themselves
> > > > > > > > > > to the Divine completely.
>
> > > > > > > > > > omprem
> > > > > > > > > > Your statement above shows me that you lack one of the most
> > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > envolving spirituality, wisdom. In your rantings you seem
> > > > > > > > > > only to spout
> > > > > > > > > > dogma and doctrine. The truth is I personally am not
> > > > > > > > > > interested in your
> > > > > > > > > > insults and hatred.
>
> > > > > > > > > > If I may make a suggestion, why don't you tell us about
> > > > > > > > > > your own personal
> > > > > > > > > > spiritual experience. Something like your going through the
> > > > > > > > > > gateless
> > > > > > > > > > gate.That I will be delighted to read. Now if you try to
> > > > > > > > > > feed me dogma
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > doctrine as personal experience I will tell you that also.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I have my coffee cup n hand and am waiting.
> > > > > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan
>
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> > > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text -
>
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