Did you see my comment, "sounds like someone telling their grandfather
he ought to find a woman and have some kids" :-)
I started exploring in my mind when I was 16 with self-hypnosis. I've
been at is very seriously for over 40 years. I have used the paths of
many but have taken on the baggage of No dogma and have explored
freely seeking truth.

peace & Love

On May 20, 4:08 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> What is meant is that one should develop a detached mind, which means
> not to cling to things that one has been taught are the expressions of
> life. In religious contexts, the action associated with this is “to
> surrender”.
>
> On 20 Mai, 02:05, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > You are so right, attachment to Life is an addiction, if you are not
> > attached to Life you are DEAD.
> > It is total BS to say Life is an obstacle to accessing God. If you are
> > dead your brain does Not generate the mind which is the only means by
> > which any person here and now or at any time in the past has ever
> > accessed God.
>
> > Your dogma is nothing but one of many different descriptions of
> > something that is common to all mankind. The connection in our brain
> > generated mind is to our collective intelligence and it's called by a
> > hundred different names to support ones own personal glorification and
> > excuse to put someone else down as inferior.
>
> > You need to get over your personal claim to superiority and recognize
> > the fact that our collective intelligence is God, as far as Life on
> > Earth is concerned. Your personal dogma is the support of selfishness.
> > And the world is going down the tube because of it.
>
> > peace & Love
>
> > On May 19, 1:32 pm, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Patanjali said that attachment to life is an addiction and an obstacle
> > > to accessing God.
>
> > > In addition, there is a bit of equivocation on the use of the phrase
> > > 'has to use' as opposed to 'uses'. The difference is quite
> > > pronounced.
>
> > > On May 19, 11:28 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > RE: addiction
> > > > Many years ago, a very wise friend of mine defined quantitatively what
> > > > addiction was in a startling, to me, way. He said that anything (not
> > > > needed for life/sustenance) that one has to use at least once every
> > > > two weeks represented an addiction….of sorts. Here, I’m using a
> > > > specific meaning for the term…more like a psychic compensation.
>
> > > > On May 19, 4:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > So your addicted too, fran?  Gee, where would you place yourself on
> > > > > the oomp scale of 1 to 10 on coffee addiction?
>
> > > > > On May 19, 3:30 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Hey, ID, I visited the Netherlands for a couple of hours last 
> > > > > > Friday!
> > > > > > One of the items I stocked up on was original Senseo coffee pads, 
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > cost twice as much in Germany :-)
>
> > > > > > On 19 Mai, 09:18, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments.
>
> > > > > > > That is easy enough i believe  you would sit in copyright 
> > > > > > > infringement,
> > > > > > > simply because what you have said about spirituality is not 
> > > > > > > original.. most
> > > > > > > of it is either quoted or paraphrased from what others have said. 
> > > > > > > As I read
> > > > > > > what you say I find it difficult to believe you are not a 
> > > > > > > fundamentalist
> > > > > > > christian, despite what you say to the contrary. They can talk a 
> > > > > > > lot of talk
> > > > > > > but sadly they tend to lack insight as to the meaning of the 
> > > > > > > words they say,
> > > > > > > as a group. But there are some that do tend to rise above this 
> > > > > > > tendency.
> > > > > > > Your hatred of others and their belief show me that you are 
> > > > > > > insecure in your
> > > > > > > own beliefs, and there is a lot of confusion going on within you. 
> > > > > > > Your
> > > > > > > hatred of atheist tells me you are afraid you are one deep 
> > > > > > > inside, and that
> > > > > > > frightens you very very much, almost like a child that is 
> > > > > > > frightened of the
> > > > > > > unknown. You even called me an atheist, my guardians had a good 
> > > > > > > laugh. there
> > > > > > > are many people here with a wide range of views and each one is 
> > > > > > > valid. Many
> > > > > > > of these people are far smarter and wiser than I am. Many of us 
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > considered "Elders" by our given communities, Yet your treat them 
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > absolute disrespect.
> > > > > > > I asked you to share your personal spiritual experiences. You 
> > > > > > > reply with "
> > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments." 
> > > > > > > Well there
> > > > > > > is a difference between comments and spiritual experience. after 
> > > > > > > you have
> > > > > > > gone down a few rabbit holes you will know the difference. Oops 
> > > > > > > forgot you
> > > > > > > are not willing to go down the rabbit holes. When you do have 
> > > > > > > some personal
> > > > > > > spiritual experiences like walking through the gateless gate, 
> > > > > > > they tend to
> > > > > > > be earth shattering to say the least.  Me and my cup of coffee 
> > > > > > > are waiting
> > > > > > > to hear about them.
>
> > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your
> > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom.
>
> > > > > > >  My, my so my two to three cups of coffee a week is now an 
> > > > > > > addiction,
> > > > > > > amazing.. Omprem  we do have very good coffee here in the 
> > > > > > > Netherlands
> > > > > > > (Holland just in case you don't where the Netherlands is)
> > > > > > > I think it is time for you to follow the yellow brick road and 
> > > > > > > return to
> > > > > > > your ashram.
> > > > > > > Allan
> > > > > > > Hatred is so unbecoming showing a lack of spirituality,  <sigh> 
> > > > > > > "But for the
> > > > > > > grace of God go I "
>
> > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:30 PM, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my comments.
>
> > > > > > > > FYI: Because of your caffeine addiction (among others) your
> > > > > > > > consciousness is not subtle enough to grasp spiritual wisdom.
>
> > > > > > > > On May 18, 3:55 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Knowledge entails being separate from that which is 'known'. 
> > > > > > > > > But
> > > > > > > > > separation means that the knower is not fully aware of the 
> > > > > > > > > which he/
> > > > > > > > > she wishes to know.  To 'know' the Divine one must attune 
> > > > > > > > > themselves
> > > > > > > > > to the Divine completely.
>
> > > > > > > > > omprem
> > > > > > > > > Your statement above shows me that you lack one of the most 
> > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > envolving spirituality, wisdom. In your rantings you seem 
> > > > > > > > > only to spout
> > > > > > > > > dogma and doctrine. The truth is I personally am not 
> > > > > > > > > interested in your
> > > > > > > > > insults and hatred.
>
> > > > > > > > > If I may make a suggestion, why don't you tell us about your 
> > > > > > > > > own personal
> > > > > > > > > spiritual experience. Something like your going through the 
> > > > > > > > > gateless
> > > > > > > > > gate.That I will be delighted to read. Now if you try to feed 
> > > > > > > > > me dogma
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > doctrine as personal experience I will tell you that also.
>
> > > > > > > > > I have my coffee cup n hand and am waiting.
> > > > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > > >  )
> > > > > > > > > I_D Allan
>
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > (
> > > > > > >  )
> > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
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