Here is Noam Chomsky's take on it: http://books.google.com/books?id=yDhGoR6yU8AC&dq=Noam+Chomsky+anarchy&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=E4RGSpevGJS2MJC_lasC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=13
On Jun 27, 4:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Collective anger is interesting . It leaves me wondering who is controlling > it. In Red Handed discussion there is tremendous violence demonstrated and > used for control. As for the people being angry. could they be frustrated, > with supposed religious leadership using violence and fear to control, it > would seem to be more frustration than anger. > > To me it seems in the majority of people have a deep seated need to believe > in something greater than them selves. looking at Iran, I can not help but > wonder what is really going on. > Allan > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This is a very nice examination of the emotion contained in the > > anarchy that ensues as a result of suppression, Vam. It is > > fascinating (and horrifying) to watch the collective expression of > > anger in anarchy. > > > I think that anger, and its primary emotion fear, are ego based > > emotions. If we are witnessing ourselves expressing less and less > > anger, it is probably because we are not primarily centered in our > > ego. Ego based desire - what I want - and its frustration is often > > the cause, and if expressed without consideration of others, can be > > destructive. Ego based anger can also be expressed in consideration > > of others, and the outcome is usually more palatable for all > > involved. > > > If our view looks beyond our ego, includes the broader perspectives of > > self as other and absolute truth in spirit, the integrated expression > > of anger simply becomes I am not and I am. Here is where anger of > > others becomes a mirror to shadow self, and anger arising in self can > > be witnessed in patterns that have a more soulful revelation of who I > > am. > > > Beyond that, there is only love and I am. > > > On Jun 27, 12:42 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > " ... anger must be closely examined and scrutinized before rendering > > > judgment on the justification of it." > > > > I would imagine that the justification prescription includes the > > > aftermath of anger, in time, as in how it gets channelised, how the > > > energy ' balled up ' in it is used, to render the situation better > > > than what it was before, for oneself and for us all. > > > > Take the Iranian " anger." I have no doubt that despite the seeming ' > > > losses ' and failure, the pain caused to thousands of innocents, the > > > people's expression of anger has furthered the momentum for change for > > > the better, even if the value - system and world - view of the ' > > > rulers ' may not actually change in, say, the next five or ten years, > > > and people must live with their smothered anger and exacerbated pain > > > and despair, their sense of loss and extreme doubt, in the > > > meanwhile ... when life is meaningless and a mere exercise in sheer > > > darkness. > > > > Then, in the aftermath of their anger, people who do not know will > > > need to hope, in order to act. The few who do know will lead in their > > > conviction, by the fire of their trust in truth. And, the perpetrators > > > will enter into even greater madness, knowing their sham and their > > > looming ' end.' Untill, the cathartic moment is upon us all, and the > > > forces for the next change begins to build up. > > > > That 's the fuller picture, the context to anger and our judgement of > > > it, as I see it. > > > > On Jun 27, 7:10 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Much of anger is based on disappointment in ourselves, our inability > > > > to affect the outcome of situations and the behavior of others. > > > > Aristotle addresses anger as “A desire accompanied by pain, for a > > > > conspicuous revenge for a conspicuous slight at the hands of men who > > > > have no call to slight oneself or one’s friends”. We want and desire > > > > results which when not realized results in the disappointment that Ari > > > > refers to as pain. We all have a predisposition for anger especially > > > > when slighted, insulted without basis, falsely accused. I think our > > > > desires and failure to see them materialize have a great deal to do > > > > with anger. There is also debate on whether anger is natural to > > > > humanity or an unnatural emotion, I think it is natural and functional > > > > as well as a necessary element in overall mental health. There are > > > > many levels of anger. From the simple disgruntle to the violent > > > > outburst so therefore the elements of the anger must be closely > > > > examined and scrutinized before rendering judgment on the > > > > justification of it. > > > > > On Jun 26, 7:58 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > A letter to a friend brought up the idea of anger being an mirror of > > my > > > > > self. It seems I do not get angry much anymore, put out and disgusted > > by > > > > > peoples decisions, especially when they harm others or of self > > interest. > > > > > When I do get angry I find it is over what I do not like in myself, > > defects > > > > > of character . > > > > > Allan > > > > > > -- > > > > > ( > > > > > ) > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
