Indeed, Allan !
On Jun 29, 11:47 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yeah token gifts are acceptable say flowers, though gifts are reported as
> they should be especially to government employees, I do remember one time
> when I was first here the board of directors gave to me one of the offered
> gifts,, it was to a Piano concert competition.
>
> The truth is the concert was fantastic and I really did enjoy it. It was
> given to me and my wife because of my love for classical music. It was an
> event that there was no way we could even get tickets because it was totally
> sponsored and paid for by the company giving the completion. This was a very
> rare exception.
>
> I am very proud that this is standard policy and it is honored by all
> employees
> Allan
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Vamadevananda <[email protected]>wrote:
>
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> > I wonder why may I accept a ' gift ' from someone who I do not even
> > know, to whom I myself have never offered one ( gift ) or ( left to
> > myself ) would never desire to !
>
> > " Integrity does not have to be lost upon the receipt of a gift."
>
> > Read the first para. Why else would one accept a gift ? Unless it is
> > token, read ' costing next to nothing,' say, flowers.
>
> > On Jun 29, 9:21 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Gifts are good, I like gifts, what's wrong with gifts? Integrity does
> > > not have to be lost upon the receipt of a gift. A gift should not be
> > > preconceived as a bribe. The corrupted have made it so because they
> > > took gifts in exchange for favor but this does not set a standard. We
> > > continually diminish our quality of life on the basis of those that
> > > are unethical, why let them ruin it for the rest of us? Give and
> > > Receive without strings!
>
> > > On Jun 28, 10:56 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > accepting business gifts should be
>
> > > > > totally unacceptable behavior, both by the giver and the receiver.
> > -iam
>
> > > > I agree only in the public sector. I work for the State so pretty
> > > > much the same thing applies to me. While people still accept tickets
> > > > to sporting events and lunches and cases of booze on the holidays and
> > > > complimentary fishing/hunting trips; it really is graft and shouldn't
> > > > be done. However, in the private sector this is often how things are
> > > > done. It's how the service provider buys access. Tax money isn't
> > > > used to pay for the services so I don't have a problem with it. If
> > > > large corporations didn't use this technique to gain access to foreign
> > > > potential customers we would never get their business.
>
> > > > I commend your wife on her integrity. It's a rare trait.
>
> > > > dj
>
> > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:00 AM, iam deheretic<[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > Chomsky has my vote along with slipsky of course.
>
> > > > > Well the Palestinian people elected one party and the US and Israel
> > would
> > > > > only support the losers. Radical changes are going to need to be
> > made,, but
> > > > > There is the lingering doubt that the will is there. I am hoping for
> > health
> > > > > care, but as long as the politicians are exempt from the bribery
> > laws it
> > > > > will never happen.
>
> > > > > I am looking at the difference in countries. My wife is the officer
> > in
> > > > > charge of quality control for the fire department.. and she was
> > offered
> > > > > tickets for her and me to a polo match free. Well we had to turn them
> > down
> > > > > and make a report of it. It has to do with honesty in government.
>
> > > > > The truth is I am glad to see that there are people watching and much
> > more
> > > > > of it needs to occur, every where ,, accepting business gifts should
> > be
> > > > > totally unacceptable behavior, both by the giver and the receiver.
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Molly Brogan <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >> Here is Noam Chomsky's take on it:
>
> >http://books.google.com/books?id=yDhGoR6yU8AC&dq=Noam+Chomsky+anarchy...
>
> > > > >> On Jun 27, 4:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >> > Collective anger is interesting . It leaves me wondering who is
> > > > >> > controlling
> > > > >> > it. In Red Handed discussion there is tremendous violence
> > demonstrated
> > > > >> > and
> > > > >> > used for control. As for the people being angry. could they be
> > > > >> > frustrated,
> > > > >> > with supposed religious leadership using violence and fear to
> > control,
> > > > >> > it
> > > > >> > would seem to be more frustration than anger.
>
> > > > >> > To me it seems in the majority of people have a deep seated need
> > to
> > > > >> > believe
> > > > >> > in something greater than them selves. looking at Iran, I can not
> > help
> > > > >> > but
> > > > >> > wonder what is really going on.
> > > > >> > Allan
>
> > > > >> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Molly Brogan <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > >> > wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > This is a very nice examination of the emotion contained in the
> > > > >> > > anarchy that ensues as a result of suppression, Vam. It is
> > > > >> > > fascinating (and horrifying) to watch the collective expression
> > of
> > > > >> > > anger in anarchy.
>
> > > > >> > > I think that anger, and its primary emotion fear, are ego based
> > > > >> > > emotions. If we are witnessing ourselves expressing less and
> > less
> > > > >> > > anger, it is probably because we are not primarily centered in
> > our
> > > > >> > > ego. Ego based desire - what I want - and its frustration is
> > often
> > > > >> > > the cause, and if expressed without consideration of others, can
> > be
> > > > >> > > destructive. Ego based anger can also be expressed in
> > consideration
> > > > >> > > of others, and the outcome is usually more palatable for all
> > > > >> > > involved.
>
> > > > >> > > If our view looks beyond our ego, includes the broader
> > perspectives of
> > > > >> > > self as other and absolute truth in spirit, the integrated
> > expression
> > > > >> > > of anger simply becomes I am not and I am. Here is where anger
> > of
> > > > >> > > others becomes a mirror to shadow self, and anger arising in
> > self can
> > > > >> > > be witnessed in patterns that have a more soulful revelation of
> > who I
> > > > >> > > am.
>
> > > > >> > > Beyond that, there is only love and I am.
>
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