Aye, Slipky...
On Jun 27, 8:16 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> Isn't Slipky's take on it enough? ;-)
>
> On Jun 27, 3:57 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Here is Noam Chomsky's take on it:
>
> >http://books.google.com/books?id=yDhGoR6yU8AC&dq=Noam+Chomsky+anarchy...
>
> > On Jun 27, 4:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Collective anger is interesting . It leaves me wondering who is
> > > controlling
> > > it. In Red Handed discussion there is tremendous violence demonstrated
> > > and
> > > used for control. As for the people being angry. could they be frustrated,
> > > with supposed religious leadership using violence and fear to control, it
> > > would seem to be more frustration than anger.
>
> > > To me it seems in the majority of people have a deep seated need to
> > > believe
> > > in something greater than them selves. looking at Iran, I can not help but
> > > wonder what is really going on.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > This is a very nice examination of the emotion contained in the
> > > > anarchy that ensues as a result of suppression, Vam. It is
> > > > fascinating (and horrifying) to watch the collective expression of
> > > > anger in anarchy.
>
> > > > I think that anger, and its primary emotion fear, are ego based
> > > > emotions. If we are witnessing ourselves expressing less and less
> > > > anger, it is probably because we are not primarily centered in our
> > > > ego. Ego based desire - what I want - and its frustration is often
> > > > the cause, and if expressed without consideration of others, can be
> > > > destructive. Ego based anger can also be expressed in consideration
> > > > of others, and the outcome is usually more palatable for all
> > > > involved.
>
> > > > If our view looks beyond our ego, includes the broader perspectives of
> > > > self as other and absolute truth in spirit, the integrated expression
> > > > of anger simply becomes I am not and I am. Here is where anger of
> > > > others becomes a mirror to shadow self, and anger arising in self can
> > > > be witnessed in patterns that have a more soulful revelation of who I
> > > > am.
>
> > > > Beyond that, there is only love and I am.
>
> > > > On Jun 27, 12:42 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > " ... anger must be closely examined and scrutinized before rendering
> > > > > judgment on the justification of it."
>
> > > > > I would imagine that the justification prescription includes the
> > > > > aftermath of anger, in time, as in how it gets channelised, how the
> > > > > energy ' balled up ' in it is used, to render the situation better
> > > > > than what it was before, for oneself and for us all.
>
> > > > > Take the Iranian " anger." I have no doubt that despite the seeming '
> > > > > losses ' and failure, the pain caused to thousands of innocents, the
> > > > > people's expression of anger has furthered the momentum for change for
> > > > > the better, even if the value - system and world - view of the '
> > > > > rulers ' may not actually change in, say, the next five or ten years,
> > > > > and people must live with their smothered anger and exacerbated pain
> > > > > and despair, their sense of loss and extreme doubt, in the
> > > > > meanwhile ... when life is meaningless and a mere exercise in sheer
> > > > > darkness.
>
> > > > > Then, in the aftermath of their anger, people who do not know will
> > > > > need to hope, in order to act. The few who do know will lead in their
> > > > > conviction, by the fire of their trust in truth. And, the perpetrators
> > > > > will enter into even greater madness, knowing their sham and their
> > > > > looming ' end.' Untill, the cathartic moment is upon us all, and the
> > > > > forces for the next change begins to build up.
>
> > > > > That 's the fuller picture, the context to anger and our judgement of
> > > > > it, as I see it.
>
> > > > > On Jun 27, 7:10 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Much of anger is based on disappointment in ourselves, our inability
> > > > > > to affect the outcome of situations and the behavior of others.
> > > > > > Aristotle addresses anger as “A desire accompanied by pain, for a
> > > > > > conspicuous revenge for a conspicuous slight at the hands of men who
> > > > > > have no call to slight oneself or one’s friends”. We want and
> > > > > > desire
> > > > > > results which when not realized results in the disappointment that
> > > > > > Ari
> > > > > > refers to as pain. We all have a predisposition for anger
> > > > > > especially
> > > > > > when slighted, insulted without basis, falsely accused. I think our
> > > > > > desires and failure to see them materialize have a great deal to do
> > > > > > with anger. There is also debate on whether anger is natural to
> > > > > > humanity or an unnatural emotion, I think it is natural and
> > > > > > functional
> > > > > > as well as a necessary element in overall mental health. There are
> > > > > > many levels of anger. From the simple disgruntle to the violent
> > > > > > outburst so therefore the elements of the anger must be closely
> > > > > > examined and scrutinized before rendering judgment on the
> > > > > > justification of it.
>
> > > > > > On Jun 26, 7:58 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > A letter to a friend brought up the idea of anger being an
> > > > > > > mirror of
> > > > my
> > > > > > > self. It seems I do not get angry much anymore, put out and
> > > > > > > disgusted
> > > > by
> > > > > > > peoples decisions, especially when they harm others or of self
> > > > interest.
> > > > > > > When I do get angry I find it is over what I do not like in
> > > > > > > myself,
> > > > defects
> > > > > > > of character .
> > > > > > > Allan
>
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