I meant Slipsky but ID got it right! I definitely see Chomsky's view as relevant and to the point. There is much there to read and re-read for the subtle undertones.
On Jun 28, 7:18 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > Aye, Slipky... > > On Jun 27, 8:16 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Isn't Slipky's take on it enough? ;-) > > > On Jun 27, 3:57 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Here is Noam Chomsky's take on it: > > > >http://books.google.com/books?id=yDhGoR6yU8AC&dq=Noam+Chomsky+anarchy... > > > > On Jun 27, 4:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Collective anger is interesting . It leaves me wondering who is > > > > controlling > > > > it. In Red Handed discussion there is tremendous violence demonstrated > > > > and > > > > used for control. As for the people being angry. could they be > > > > frustrated, > > > > with supposed religious leadership using violence and fear to control, > > > > it > > > > would seem to be more frustration than anger. > > > > > To me it seems in the majority of people have a deep seated need to > > > > believe > > > > in something greater than them selves. looking at Iran, I can not help > > > > but > > > > wonder what is really going on. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > This is a very nice examination of the emotion contained in the > > > > > anarchy that ensues as a result of suppression, Vam. It is > > > > > fascinating (and horrifying) to watch the collective expression of > > > > > anger in anarchy. > > > > > > I think that anger, and its primary emotion fear, are ego based > > > > > emotions. If we are witnessing ourselves expressing less and less > > > > > anger, it is probably because we are not primarily centered in our > > > > > ego. Ego based desire - what I want - and its frustration is often > > > > > the cause, and if expressed without consideration of others, can be > > > > > destructive. Ego based anger can also be expressed in consideration > > > > > of others, and the outcome is usually more palatable for all > > > > > involved. > > > > > > If our view looks beyond our ego, includes the broader perspectives of > > > > > self as other and absolute truth in spirit, the integrated expression > > > > > of anger simply becomes I am not and I am. Here is where anger of > > > > > others becomes a mirror to shadow self, and anger arising in self can > > > > > be witnessed in patterns that have a more soulful revelation of who I > > > > > am. > > > > > > Beyond that, there is only love and I am. > > > > > > On Jun 27, 12:42 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > " ... anger must be closely examined and scrutinized before > > > > > > rendering > > > > > > judgment on the justification of it." > > > > > > > I would imagine that the justification prescription includes the > > > > > > aftermath of anger, in time, as in how it gets channelised, how the > > > > > > energy ' balled up ' in it is used, to render the situation better > > > > > > than what it was before, for oneself and for us all. > > > > > > > Take the Iranian " anger." I have no doubt that despite the > > > > > > seeming ' > > > > > > losses ' and failure, the pain caused to thousands of innocents, the > > > > > > people's expression of anger has furthered the momentum for change > > > > > > for > > > > > > the better, even if the value - system and world - view of the ' > > > > > > rulers ' may not actually change in, say, the next five or ten > > > > > > years, > > > > > > and people must live with their smothered anger and exacerbated pain > > > > > > and despair, their sense of loss and extreme doubt, in the > > > > > > meanwhile ... when life is meaningless and a mere exercise in sheer > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > Then, in the aftermath of their anger, people who do not know will > > > > > > need to hope, in order to act. The few who do know will lead in > > > > > > their > > > > > > conviction, by the fire of their trust in truth. And, the > > > > > > perpetrators > > > > > > will enter into even greater madness, knowing their sham and their > > > > > > looming ' end.' Untill, the cathartic moment is upon us all, and > > > > > > the > > > > > > forces for the next change begins to build up. > > > > > > > That 's the fuller picture, the context to anger and our judgement > > > > > > of > > > > > > it, as I see it. > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 7:10 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Much of anger is based on disappointment in ourselves, our > > > > > > > inability > > > > > > > to affect the outcome of situations and the behavior of others. > > > > > > > Aristotle addresses anger as “A desire accompanied by pain, for a > > > > > > > conspicuous revenge for a conspicuous slight at the hands of men > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > have no call to slight oneself or one’s friends”. We want and > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > results which when not realized results in the disappointment > > > > > > > that Ari > > > > > > > refers to as pain. We all have a predisposition for anger > > > > > > > especially > > > > > > > when slighted, insulted without basis, falsely accused. I think > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > desires and failure to see them materialize have a great deal to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > with anger. There is also debate on whether anger is natural to > > > > > > > humanity or an unnatural emotion, I think it is natural and > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > as well as a necessary element in overall mental health. There > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > many levels of anger. From the simple disgruntle to the violent > > > > > > > outburst so therefore the elements of the anger must be closely > > > > > > > examined and scrutinized before rendering judgment on the > > > > > > > justification of it. > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 7:58 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A letter to a friend brought up the idea of anger being an > > > > > > > > mirror of > > > > > my > > > > > > > > self. It seems I do not get angry much anymore, put out and > > > > > > > > disgusted > > > > > by > > > > > > > > peoples decisions, especially when they harm others or of self > > > > > interest. > > > > > > > > When I do get angry I find it is over what I do not like in > > > > > > > > myself, > > > > > defects > > > > > > > > of character . > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
