Molly, reading your two posts, I am reminded of Kafka's
experimentation with expression !  His repeat attempts at it may be
seen in his diaries.

Kafka's lone entry one day, in his diary :  I am the problem. There is
no solution far and wide.

Lots of love.

On Jun 27, 7:42 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> This is a very nice examination of the emotion contained in the
> anarchy that ensues as a result of suppression, Vam.  It is
> fascinating (and horrifying) to watch the collective expression of
> anger in anarchy.
>
> I think that anger, and its primary emotion fear, are ego based
> emotions.  If we are witnessing ourselves expressing less and less
> anger, it is probably because we are not primarily centered in our
> ego.  Ego based desire - what I want - and its frustration is often
> the cause, and if expressed without consideration of others, can be
> destructive.  Ego based anger can also be expressed in consideration
> of others, and the outcome is usually more palatable for all
> involved.
>
> If our view looks beyond our ego, includes the broader perspectives of
> self as other and absolute truth in spirit, the integrated expression
> of anger simply becomes I am not and I am. Here is where anger of
> others becomes a mirror to shadow self, and anger arising in self can
> be witnessed in patterns that have a more soulful revelation of who I
> am.
>
>  Beyond that, there is only love and I am.
>
> On Jun 27, 12:42 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > " ... anger must be closely examined and scrutinized before rendering
> > judgment on the justification of it."
>
> > I would imagine that the justification prescription includes the
> > aftermath of anger, in time, as in how it gets channelised, how the
> > energy ' balled up ' in it is used, to render the situation better
> > than what it was before, for oneself and for us all.
>
> > Take the Iranian " anger."  I have no doubt that despite the seeming '
> > losses ' and failure, the pain caused to thousands of innocents, the
> > people's expression of anger has furthered the momentum for change for
> > the better, even if the value - system and world - view of the '
> > rulers ' may not actually change in, say, the next five or ten years,
> > and people must live with their smothered anger and exacerbated pain
> > and despair, their sense of loss and extreme doubt, in the
> > meanwhile ...  when life is meaningless and a mere exercise in sheer
> > darkness.
>
> > Then, in the aftermath of their anger, people who do not know will
> > need to hope, in order to act. The few who do know will lead in their
> > conviction, by the fire of their trust in truth. And, the perpetrators
> > will enter into even greater madness, knowing their sham and their
> > looming ' end.'  Untill, the cathartic moment is upon us all, and the
> > forces for the next change begins to build up.
>
> > That 's the fuller picture, the context to anger and our judgement of
> > it, as I see it.
>
> > On Jun 27, 7:10 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Much of anger is based on disappointment in ourselves, our inability
> > > to affect the outcome of situations and the behavior of others.
> > > Aristotle addresses anger as “A desire accompanied by pain, for a
> > > conspicuous revenge for a conspicuous slight at the hands of men who
> > > have no call to slight oneself or one’s friends”.  We want and desire
> > > results which when not realized results in the disappointment that Ari
> > > refers to as pain.  We all have a predisposition for anger especially
> > > when slighted, insulted without basis, falsely accused.  I think our
> > > desires and failure to see them materialize have a great deal to do
> > > with anger.  There is also debate on whether anger is natural to
> > > humanity or an unnatural emotion, I think it is natural and functional
> > > as well as a necessary element in overall mental health.  There are
> > > many levels of anger.  From the simple disgruntle to the violent
> > > outburst so therefore the elements of the anger must be closely
> > > examined and scrutinized before rendering judgment on the
> > > justification of it.
>
> > > On Jun 26, 7:58 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > A letter to a friend brought up the idea  of anger being an mirror of my
> > > > self. It seems I do not get angry much anymore, put out and disgusted by
> > > > peoples decisions, especially when they harm others or of self interest.
> > > > When I do get angry I find it is over what I do not like in myself, 
> > > > defects
> > > > of character .
> > > > Allan
>
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