Don't worry, Slip, I have never envied males except when I needed an
office to run to. I still can't figure out how men can walk with all
their paraphernalia!!!

On Jun 29, 3:29�pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> No dear woman, women use their sexuality because women are sexual
> creatures capable of alluring the most formidable opponent. �When
> women realize the power of their sexuality they are not nearly women
> but yet girls. �It is a women's unfortunate role that leads to
> entrapment within a circle of the offspring caretaker, and you are
> right, we men can just move on, like lions we are free, like bears we
> give the seed that gives the birth with which you are eternally
> connected to. �Don't blame us for our lot in life for we, no more than
> you, have choice. It is only through legal political channels that you
> have put a noose on our necks. When you submit you should be well
> informed of the ramifications and in that sense it takes one.
>
> On Jun 29, 2:30�pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have been in those situations, as well, which are sincere friendly
> > gestures but I have also seen the corrupted routine both in business
> > and social relations which are basically a form of control. Women use
> > their sexuality because the culture has fostered its rewards. It takes
> > two.
>
> > On Jun 29, 4:50 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > When I moved into my community the welcoming committee came by to drop
> > > off a basket full of gifts as a way of saying hello. We took the
> > > gifts and had a great time without feeling any need for
> > > reciprocation. I had a neighbor give me two tickets to the symphony
> > > because he and his wife could not go on that date, they were great
> > > seats. He never came by to ask any favors and a year later they moved
> > > away. I give away gifts all the time and think that giving begins a
> > > cycle of giving. Those that receive learn that giving can be as
> > > rewarding as receiving. I can see that in the business world buying
> > > lavish gifts for the management might be construed as a request for
> > > special treatment and I have seen some fine women climb the corporate
> > > ladder via their sexual prowess, if that can be considered a gift.
>
> > > On Jun 29, 1:08 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I wonder why may I accept a ' gift ' from someone who I do not even
> > > > know, to whom I myself have never offered one ( gift ) or ( left to
> > > > myself ) would never desire to !
>
> > > > " Integrity does not have to be lost upon the receipt of a gift."
>
> > > > Read the first para. Why else would one accept a gift ? Unless it is
> > > > token, read ' costing next to nothing,' say, flowers.
>
> > > > On Jun 29, 9:21 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Gifts are good, I like gifts, what's wrong with gifts? Integrity does
> > > > > not have to be lost upon the receipt of a gift. A gift should not be
> > > > > preconceived as a bribe. The corrupted have made it so because they
> > > > > took gifts in exchange for favor but this does not set a standard. We
> > > > > continually diminish our quality of life on the basis of those that
> > > > > are unethical, why let them ruin it for the rest of us? Give and
> > > > > Receive without strings!
>
> > > > > On Jun 28, 10:56 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > accepting business gifts should be
>
> > > > > > > totally unacceptable behavior, both by the giver and the 
> > > > > > > receiver. -iam
>
> > > > > > I agree only in the public sector. I work for the State so pretty
> > > > > > much the same thing applies to me. While people still accept tickets
> > > > > > to sporting events and lunches and cases of booze on the holidays 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > complimentary fishing/hunting trips; it really is graft and 
> > > > > > shouldn't
> > > > > > be done. However, in the private sector this is often how things are
> > > > > > done. It's how the service provider buys access. Tax money isn't
> > > > > > used to pay for the services so I don't have a problem with it. If
> > > > > > large corporations didn't use this technique to gain access to 
> > > > > > foreign
> > > > > > potential customers we would never get their business.
>
> > > > > > I commend your wife on her integrity. It's a rare trait.
>
> > > > > > dj
>
> > > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:00 AM, iam deheretic<[email protected]> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Chomsky has my vote along with slipsky of course.
>
> > > > > > > Well the Palestinian people elected one party and the US and 
> > > > > > > Israel would
> > > > > > > only support the losers. Radical changes are going to need to be 
> > > > > > > made,, but
> > > > > > > There is the lingering doubt that the will is there. I am hoping 
> > > > > > > for health
> > > > > > > care, but as long as the politicians are exempt from the bribery 
> > > > > > > laws it
> > > > > > > will never happen.
>
> > > > > > > I am looking at the difference in countries. My wife is the 
> > > > > > > officer in
> > > > > > > charge of quality control for the fire department.. and she was 
> > > > > > > offered
> > > > > > > tickets for her and me to a polo match free. Well we had to turn 
> > > > > > > them down
> > > > > > > and make a report of it. It has to do with honesty in government.
>
> > > > > > > The truth is I am glad to see that there are people watching and 
> > > > > > > much more
> > > > > > > of it needs to occur, every where ,, accepting business gifts 
> > > > > > > should be
> > > > > > > totally unacceptable behavior, both by the giver and the receiver.
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Molly Brogan 
> > > > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> Here is Noam Chomsky's take on it:
>
> > > > > > >>http://books.google.com/books?id=yDhGoR6yU8AC&dq=Noam+Chomsky+anarchy...
>
> > > > > > >> On Jun 27, 4:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Collective anger is interesting . It leaves me wondering who is
> > > > > > >> > controlling
> > > > > > >> > it. In Red Handed discussion there is tremendous violence 
> > > > > > >> > demonstrated
> > > > > > >> > and
> > > > > > >> > used for control. As for the people being angry. could they be
> > > > > > >> > frustrated,
> > > > > > >> > with supposed religious leadership using violence and fear to 
> > > > > > >> > control,
> > > > > > >> > it
> > > > > > >> > would seem to be more frustration than anger.
>
> > > > > > >> > To me it seems in the majority of people have a deep seated 
> > > > > > >> > need to
> > > > > > >> > believe
> > > > > > >> > in something greater than them selves. looking at Iran, I can 
> > > > > > >> > not help
> > > > > > >> > but
> > > > > > >> > wonder what is really going on.
> > > > > > >> > Allan
>
> > > > > > >> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Molly Brogan 
> > > > > > >> > <[email protected]>
> > > > > > >> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > > This is a very nice examination of the emotion contained in 
> > > > > > >> > > the
> > > > > > >> > > anarchy that ensues as a result of suppression, Vam. It is
> > > > > > >> > > fascinating (and horrifying) to watch the collective 
> > > > > > >> > > expression of
> > > > > > >> > > anger in anarchy.
>
> > > > > > >> > > I think that anger, and its primary emotion fear, are ego 
> > > > > > >> > > based
> > > > > > >> > > emotions. If we are witnessing ourselves expressing less and 
> > > > > > >> > > less
> > > > > > >> > > anger, it is probably because we are not primarily centered 
> > > > > > >> > > in our
> > > > > > >> > > ego. Ego based desire - what I want - and its frustration is 
> > > > > > >> > > often
> > > > > > >> > > the cause, and if expressed without consideration of others, 
> > > > > > >> > > can be
> > > > > > >> > > destructive. Ego based anger can also be expressed in 
> > > > > > >> > > consideration
> > > > > > >> > > of others, and the outcome is usually more palatable for all
> > > > > > >> > > involved.
>
> > > > > > >> > > If our view looks beyond our ego, includes the broader 
> > > > > > >> > > perspectives of
> > > > > > >> > > self as other and absolute truth in spirit, the integrated 
> > > > > > >> > > expression
> > > > > > >> > > of anger simply becomes I am not and I am. Here is where 
> > > > > > >> > > anger of
> > > > > > >> > > others becomes a mirror to shadow self, and anger arising in 
> > > > > > >> > > self can
> > > > > > >> > > be witnessed in patterns that have a more soulful revelation 
> > > > > > >> > > of who I
> > > > > > >> > > am.
>
> > > > > > >> > > Beyond that, there is only love and I am.
>
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > )
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