If one had given 'beliefs' authorization to some entity that told lies
regularly, would they not still be honest when they espoused their
belief as truth? (even though it were a lie)

Just a thought :-)

peace & Love

On Jul 2, 11:33 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> “we need people like Glen Beck et al. to keep the big boys honest.” –
> dj
>
> I guess I don’t see it for this person. To me, Beck transcends kookdom
> entirely. His thinking is in no way logical and coherent. His
> presentation is based on drama and emotions. I stop here. Of course
> people have the right to watch/listen to him. They have the right to
> join the KKK and read Ted Bundy or Kaczynski too. My guess is that,
> like all infotainment today, he attracts the confused and ignorant
> that feel akin to his presentations. My main point is that his
> ramblings and tirades have nothing to do with honesty.
>
> On Jul 2, 12:18 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I agree that convict testimony is suspect and damn near useless.
> > Generally I believe the most likely reason/outcome/motivation is the
> > correct one.  If I was an evil CIA conspirator and I thought this guy
> > had the goods on me he would have fallen down the steps or been in a
> > car accident or committed suicide long ago.  If I wanted to leave a
> > message to anyone else thinking of ratting me out I'd of just made him
> > disappear. A la Jimmy Hoffa.
>
> > Conspiracy theories can be fun sitting around the campfire but most
> > people discount them for a very good reason.  They just aren't very
> > plausible.  That said, occasionally the kook is right.  So I say keep
> > at it.  I support yellow journalism and muckraking as important
> > aspects of freedom and I would never attempt to silence them.  As
> > silly as they sometimes sound; we need people like Glen Beck et al. to
> > keep the big boys honest.
>
> > dj
>
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > New charges were filed in 2004, however, after two Denver jail inmates
> > > came forward to say Sonnenfeld had confessed to them during his time
> > > in custody. By then, Sonnenfeld had remarried and was living in
> > > Argentina.  <<  article excerpt.
>
> > > Don, really, what did the two Denver jail inmates get for coming
> > > forward?  Why would Sonnenfeld confess to two jail inmates during a
> > > time that he was simply in custody?  It's not like he was convicted
> > > and serving a life sentence in a federal prison, doesn't sound
> > > right.
> > > If they wanted to eliminate Sonnenfeld then what would stop them from
> > > coming up with a trumped up jail inmate confession?   It's too
> > > predictable.  Maybe the inmates had personal/racial dislike for
> > > Sonnenfeld.
> > > The other videographer, Chesnutt, in all likelyhood might as well
> > > received pressure/warnings and coerced into offer discrediting views
> > > against Sonnenfeld.
>
> > > We can't just brush the 9/11 conspiracy theories under the carpet as
> > > if they don't have any plausibility, that Bush family, collusive with
> > > the Pentagon, facilitated or allowed the attacks to take place in
> > > order to initiate the ensuing invasion. It is common knowledge that
> > > the extended Bush family has had ties to Nazi activity in the past,
> > > those willing to eliminate thousands for the sake of a political
> > > ideal, so it is possible that collateral damage is once again
> > > concomitant of the New World Order of which GH Bush spoke of.
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_conspiracy_theories
>
> > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g
>
> > > On Jun 30, 11:48 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> I didn't remember the name but while reading the article I remembered
> > >> the story.  This guy murdered his wife(allegedly) and is trying to
> > >> gain political asylum to avoid going back to prison.  He's a bit loony
> > >> as well.  A 'troofer.'  Here's a more balanced article on the subject.
> > >>  Seems obvious to me he's bent.  Clearly, if he actually had evidence
> > >> to support his claims he would have put it on the internet long before
> > >> now.  He could have used the 'truth' to save him.  He doesn't because
> > >> he's not telling it and he doesn't have it.  So I believe.
>
> > >>http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_55...
>
> > >> dj
>
> > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:42 PM, 
> > >> ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> > Kurt Sonnenfeld : Exclusive interview
> > >> > 9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public
>
> > >> >http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html
>
> > >> > thoughts?....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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