“…And quite successful I might add.” – dj

Success nor sincerity have much  to do with honesty and for sure, pure
emotionalism and insanity don’t.


On Jul 2, 2:25 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> I generally agree with most of what you've said except the last sentence.
>
> My main point is that his
>
> > ramblings and tirades have nothing to do with honesty. -orn
>
> The man is sincere.  Kooky, without a doubt, but he believes what he
> says.  Everything else you say about Beck could apply to any number of
> well meaning weirdos pounding in their sandbox.  We may laugh at them
> but, like I said earlier, sometimes they hit on a truth.  Keep
> watching.  Frankly I'm surprised you watch his show Orn.  Most of the
> liberals i know would rather scrub themselves with sandpaper and take
> an alcohol bath rather then watch the dreaded FNN.
> If you base your opinion on the writings of others and have never
> watched his show you aren't getting the whole picture.  Same with
> O'Reilly.  Clips on youtube of them freaking out isn't a good
> representation of their show.  And yeah, it's a show.  Entertainment.
> And quite successful I might add.
>
> dj
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:33 AM, ornamentalmind<[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>
> > “we need people like Glen Beck et al. to keep the big boys honest.” –
> > dj
>
> > I guess I don’t see it for this person. To me, Beck transcends kookdom
> > entirely. His thinking is in no way logical and coherent. His
> > presentation is based on drama and emotions. I stop here. Of course
> > people have the right to watch/listen to him. They have the right to
> > join the KKK and read Ted Bundy or Kaczynski too. My guess is that,
> > like all infotainment today, he attracts the confused and ignorant
> > that feel akin to his presentations. My main point is that his
> > ramblings and tirades have nothing to do with honesty.
>
> > On Jul 2, 12:18 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I agree that convict testimony is suspect and damn near useless.
> >> Generally I believe the most likely reason/outcome/motivation is the
> >> correct one.  If I was an evil CIA conspirator and I thought this guy
> >> had the goods on me he would have fallen down the steps or been in a
> >> car accident or committed suicide long ago.  If I wanted to leave a
> >> message to anyone else thinking of ratting me out I'd of just made him
> >> disappear. A la Jimmy Hoffa.
>
> >> Conspiracy theories can be fun sitting around the campfire but most
> >> people discount them for a very good reason.  They just aren't very
> >> plausible.  That said, occasionally the kook is right.  So I say keep
> >> at it.  I support yellow journalism and muckraking as important
> >> aspects of freedom and I would never attempt to silence them.  As
> >> silly as they sometimes sound; we need people like Glen Beck et al. to
> >> keep the big boys honest.
>
> >> dj
>
> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > New charges were filed in 2004, however, after two Denver jail inmates
> >> > came forward to say Sonnenfeld had confessed to them during his time
> >> > in custody. By then, Sonnenfeld had remarried and was living in
> >> > Argentina.  <<  article excerpt.
>
> >> > Don, really, what did the two Denver jail inmates get for coming
> >> > forward?  Why would Sonnenfeld confess to two jail inmates during a
> >> > time that he was simply in custody?  It's not like he was convicted
> >> > and serving a life sentence in a federal prison, doesn't sound
> >> > right.
> >> > If they wanted to eliminate Sonnenfeld then what would stop them from
> >> > coming up with a trumped up jail inmate confession?   It's too
> >> > predictable.  Maybe the inmates had personal/racial dislike for
> >> > Sonnenfeld.
> >> > The other videographer, Chesnutt, in all likelyhood might as well
> >> > received pressure/warnings and coerced into offer discrediting views
> >> > against Sonnenfeld.
>
> >> > We can't just brush the 9/11 conspiracy theories under the carpet as
> >> > if they don't have any plausibility, that Bush family, collusive with
> >> > the Pentagon, facilitated or allowed the attacks to take place in
> >> > order to initiate the ensuing invasion. It is common knowledge that
> >> > the extended Bush family has had ties to Nazi activity in the past,
> >> > those willing to eliminate thousands for the sake of a political
> >> > ideal, so it is possible that collateral damage is once again
> >> > concomitant of the New World Order of which GH Bush spoke of.
>
> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_conspiracy_theories
>
> >> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
>
> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g
>
> >> > On Jun 30, 11:48 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> I didn't remember the name but while reading the article I remembered
> >> >> the story.  This guy murdered his wife(allegedly) and is trying to
> >> >> gain political asylum to avoid going back to prison.  He's a bit loony
> >> >> as well.  A 'troofer.'  Here's a more balanced article on the subject.
> >> >>  Seems obvious to me he's bent.  Clearly, if he actually had evidence
> >> >> to support his claims he would have put it on the internet long before
> >> >> now.  He could have used the 'truth' to save him.  He doesn't because
> >> >> he's not telling it and he doesn't have it.  So I believe.
>
> >> >>http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_55...
>
> >> >> dj
>
> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:42 PM, 
> >> >> ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Kurt Sonnenfeld : Exclusive interview
> >> >> > 9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public
>
> >> >> >http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html
>
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