"...Nixon's crime was simply being nosy.. " - ID Not quite the case IAM...you might want to study history a little more on this one.
On Jul 4, 12:38 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > I really do agree with you on the pardon concept.. When you look at it,, > Nixon's crime was simply being nosy.. and to get on caring on the business > of the nation being appointed in the appointed right of succession. He was > right. In Bush administration's case we are dealing with crimes against > humanity and war crimes.. those crimes are not against the laws of the US. > When you start violating international laws as citizens of the USA we have > an obligation to the world to prosecute them in order to assist and > discourage these type of crimes from happening again. > > Being crimes against humanity we do not have the right to pardon them. > Allan > > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We disagree on the issues iam. Regardless of the corruptness of the > > Bush administration(i'm not going to argue the merits here) the fact > > is it's bad policy to vilify and prosecute outgoing administrations. > > It's a waste of time and effort and puts the incoming admin. at great > > risk of reciprocal action when they leave office. The best thing > > Ford ever did was pardon Nixon. Brutal dictators don't have this > > problem because they never leave office. Chavez has solved this > > problem by making himself President for Life. We here in the U.S. > > still have a representative government(mostly) so Obama and co. should > > tread carefully with persecuting those they have replaced. The Obama > > administration has some very smart people in it, they know what I've > > just said is true and I believe the witch hunt is over. I know this > > disappoints you but you'll just have to get used to it. > > > dj > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 6:24 AM, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: > > > Don this is a very important document along with the bill of rights. On > > the > > > 4th of July we need to examine how they have been violated by any > > > administration especially the Bush administration over his term in > > office, > > > examine the patriot act for violations of those basic rights. and the > > > activities of all government agencies and corporations for violations and > > > infringing on these rights. > > > > The rule of law needs to be returned to the American people getting them > > out > > > from under the oppressive rule of the corporations. it needs to be one > > man > > > one vote, with no super votes.. Corporations need to be stripped of their > > > rights as citizens. refusing them super citizenship. When corporations > > > commit a felony (and they do) they need to be stripped of all legal > > > protection exposing the share holders of that corporation to the full > > extent > > > of damages for the crimes their corporations commit. No one should be > > > allowed to profit from the commission of crimes. > > > > Taxes need to be implemented so that all people pay according to their > > > means, translated the more you make the more you pay and rightly so. > > > Corporations moving money over seas need to have that money taxed so thy > > pay > > > their fair share of taxes. > > > > When these start to unfold then the USA will be the last great hope. as > > it > > > is it is simple , I am saddened to say is counted among the failed > > states. > > > Allan > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Ya know, this is really just one big, fat, apology... > > > >> IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 > > >> The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America > > > >> When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people > > >> to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another > > >> and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal > > >> station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, > > >> a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should > > >> declare the causes which impel them to the separation. > > > >> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > > >> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable > > >> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of > > >> Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted > > >> among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the > > >> governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive > > >> of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish > > >> it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such > > >> principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall > > >> seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, > > >> indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be > > >> changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience > > >> hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are > > >> sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which > > >> they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, > > >> pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them > > >> under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to > > >> throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future > > >> security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; > > >> and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their > > >> former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great > > >> Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having > > >> in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these > > >> States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. > > > >> He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary > > >> for the public good. > > > >> He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing > > >> importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should > > >> be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend > > >> to them. > > > >> He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large > > >> districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of > > >> Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and > > >> formidable to tyrants only. > > > >> He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, > > >> uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public > > >> Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with > > >> his measures. > > > >> He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with > > >> manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. > > > >> He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause > > >> others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of > > >> Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; > > >> the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of > > >> invasion from without, and convulsions within. > > > >> He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that > > >> purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; > > >> refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and > > >> raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. > > > >> He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent > > >> to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers. > > > >> He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their > > >> offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. > > > >> He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of > > >> Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. > > > >> He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the > > >> Consent of our legislatures. > > > >> He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to > > >> the Civil Power. > > > >> He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to > > >> our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to > > >> their Acts of pretended Legislation: > > > >> For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: > > > >> For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders > > >> which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: > > > >> For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world: > > > >> For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: > > > >> For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury: > > > >> For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences: > > > >> For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring > > >> Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging > > >> its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit > > >> instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies > > > >> For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and > > >> altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments: > > > >> For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested > > >> with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. > > > >> He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his > > >> Protection and waging War against us. > > > >> He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and > > >> destroyed the lives of our people. > > > >> He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to > > >> compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun > > >> with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the > > >> most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized > > >> nation. > > > >> He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas > > >> to bear Arms against their Country, to become the > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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