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May the force be with you ... On 4 Jul., 06:55, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > Don, the 'it' you are talking about that will not work, is Not what > I'm talking about. > Please think out of the box for a minute. Put your mind in a science > fiction mode. > > There is a flowing force of creation. > The force flows from beyond the physical world into creation of the > physical world through the connection in the mind of mankind. > For the purpose of free will, this force had to allow negative > connections in the creation to allow for technical advancement. > That negative manifests as 'rule overrules right'. > The connection in our mind is the key to change the direction of the > force. > The 'pattern', the 'system', has us isolate the connection in our mind > by turning inward to it for self glorification, "be the change you > want to see" is a perfect example of that. > We can change the direction of that force if we make the connection > known as our common link to allow the force flowing through us to > balance the negative buildup that is threatening our Life. > > (Please,help me to help you understand what I'm talking about) > > That is what I'm talking about and it will work. > > peace & Love > > On Jul 3, 10:26 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It wouldn't work Tink. It would invite too much corruption. This is > > why justice is supposed to be blind. Judges and juries are already > > given some discretion as regards sentencing and that is enough. > > > dj > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Tinker<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Maybe you understood more than I realized and I didn't understand > > > you :-) > > > > The point (intention) of law, as you said, is 'good'. The problem of > > > law is that it is established for a previous circumstance and does not > > > allow for the differences when judging a 'similar' situation. > > > The change that I am proposing would allow for intelligent > > > consideration in the light of "the golden rule" to be the final > > > deciding factor. > > > We would change 'rule overrules right' to 'rule guides to right'. We > > > still do need rule in our world, but we must stop it from making us do > > > wrong. > > > > peace & love > > > > On Jul 3, 9:42 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Maybe I misunderstood what you mean. The point of law is to have a > > >> standard of punishment for similar crimes. Justice is blind and all > > >> that. When you are more concerned with 'doing what's right' over what > > >> is 'by the book' as a judge you should be removed. As a person, well, > > >> in my opinion you are to be lauded. But then who decides what is > > >> right? The law represents what MOST people think is right, or at > > >> least that is it's purpose. Judges must follow the law and stop > > >> trying to reinvent it as you go along. That is what congress is for. > > > >> dj > > > >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Tinker<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > I don't know how you made that connection, but it ain't none of mine. > > >> > All I said was "rule overrules right" with more words. > > >> > Until we change that, we're going down the tube. > > > >> > peace & Love > > > >> > On Jul 3, 6:22 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> Rule (law), something predetermined, is given authority > > >> >> over our 'Feeling' of what is right or wrong in a here and now > > >> >> situation. > > >> >> Until we change that, we're going down the tube. -Tink > > > >> >> Well the appointment of Sotomayor does exactly that. I'm sorry you > > >> >> see that as a good thing. > > > >> >> dj > > > >> >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Tinker<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > "The rule of law needs to be returned to the American people" > > > >> >> > First, it should read 'the people of the world'. > > >> >> > "The rule of law" has never been in the hands of the people, to be > > >> >> > returned. Since the beginning of civilization laws have been > > >> >> > established to "rule" the people. The wonderful idea, "of the > > >> >> > people, > > >> >> > by the people and for the people", has been and will continue to be > > >> >> > consumed by the first part, unless the system (pattern) is changed. > > > >> >> > "The rule of law" is at the bottom line in the decision making > > >> >> > process > > >> >> > of mankind. Rule (law), something predetermined, is given authority > > >> >> > over our 'Feeling' of what is right or wrong in a here and now > > >> >> > situation. > > >> >> > Until we change that, we're going down the tube. > > > >> >> > peace & Love > > > >> >> > On Jul 3, 6:24 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> Don this is a very important document along with the bill of > > >> >> >> rights. On the > > >> >> >> 4th of July we need to examine how they have been violated by any > > >> >> >> administration especially the Bush administration over his term in > > >> >> >> office, > > >> >> >> examine the patriot act for violations of those basic rights. and > > >> >> >> the > > >> >> >> activities of all government agencies and corporations for > > >> >> >> violations and > > >> >> >> infringing on these rights. > > > >> >> >> The rule of law needs to be returned to the American people > > >> >> >> getting them out > > >> >> >> from under the oppressive rule of the corporations. it needs to be > > >> >> >> one man > > >> >> >> one vote, with no super votes.. Corporations need to be stripped > > >> >> >> of their > > >> >> >> rights as citizens. refusing them super citizenship. When > > >> >> >> corporations > > >> >> >> commit a felony (and they do) they need to be stripped of all legal > > >> >> >> protection exposing the share holders of that corporation to the > > >> >> >> full extent > > >> >> >> of damages for the crimes their corporations commit. No one should > > >> >> >> be > > >> >> >> allowed to profit from the commission of crimes. > > > >> >> >> Taxes need to be implemented so that all people pay according to > > >> >> >> their > > >> >> >> means, translated the more you make the more you pay and rightly > > >> >> >> so. > > >> >> >> Corporations moving money over seas need to have that money taxed > > >> >> >> so thy pay > > >> >> >> their fair share of taxes. > > > >> >> >> When these start to unfold then the USA will be the last great > > >> >> >> hope. as it > > >> >> >> is it is simple , I am saddened to say is counted among the failed > > >> >> >> states. > > >> >> >> Allan > > > >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > Ya know, this is really just one big, fat, apology... > > > >> >> >> > IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 > > >> >> >> > The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of > > >> >> >> > America > > > >> >> >> > When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one > > >> >> >> > people > > >> >> >> > to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with > > >> >> >> > another > > >> >> >> > and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and > > >> >> >> > equal > > >> >> >> > station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle > > >> >> >> > them, > > >> >> >> > a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they > > >> >> >> > should > > >> >> >> > declare the causes which impel them to the separation. > > > >> >> >> > We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > > >> >> >> > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain > > >> >> >> > unalienable > > >> >> >> > Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of > > >> >> >> > Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are > > >> >> >> > instituted > > >> >> >> > among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the > > >> >> >> > governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes > > >> >> >> > destructive > > >> >> >> > of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to > > >> >> >> > abolish > > >> >> >> > it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on > > >> >> >> > such > > >> >> >> > principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them > > >> >> >> > shall > > >> >> >> > seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, > > >> >> >> > indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should > > >> >> >> > not be > > >> >> >> > changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all > > >> >> >> > experience > > >> >> >> > hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils > > >> >> >> > are > > >> >> >> > sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to > > >> >> >> > which > > >> >> >> > they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and > > >> >> >> > usurpations, > > >> >> >> > pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce > > >> >> >> > them > > >> >> >> > under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to > > >> >> >> > throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their > > >> >> >> > future > > >> >> >> > security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these > > >> >> >> > Colonies; > > >> >> >> > and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter > > >> >> >> > their > > >> >> >> > former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of > > >> >> >> > Great > > >> >> >> > Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all > > >> >> >> > having > > >> >> >> > in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over > > >> >> >> > these > > >> >> >> > States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. > > > >> >> >> > He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and > > >> >> >> > necessary > > >> >> >> > for the public good. > > > >> >> >> > He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and > > >> >> >> > pressing > > >> >> >> > importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent > > >> >> >> > should > > >> >> >> > be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to > > >> >> >> > attend > > >> >> >> > to them. > > > >> >> >> > He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large > > >> >> >> > districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the > > >> >> >> > right of > > >> >> >> > Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them > > >> >> >> > and > > >> >> >> > formidable to tyrants only. > > > >> >> >> > He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, > > >> >> >> > uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public > > >> >> >> > Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance > > >> >> >> > with > > >> >> >> > his measures. > > > >> >> >> > He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing > > >> >> >> > with > > >> >> >> > manly firmness his invasions > > ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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