It wouldn't work Tink. It would invite too much corruption. This is why justice is supposed to be blind. Judges and juries are already given some discretion as regards sentencing and that is enough.
dj On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Tinker<[email protected]> wrote: > > Maybe you understood more than I realized and I didn't understand > you :-) > > The point (intention) of law, as you said, is 'good'. The problem of > law is that it is established for a previous circumstance and does not > allow for the differences when judging a 'similar' situation. > The change that I am proposing would allow for intelligent > consideration in the light of "the golden rule" to be the final > deciding factor. > We would change 'rule overrules right' to 'rule guides to right'. We > still do need rule in our world, but we must stop it from making us do > wrong. > > peace & love > > On Jul 3, 9:42 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> Maybe I misunderstood what you mean. The point of law is to have a >> standard of punishment for similar crimes. Justice is blind and all >> that. When you are more concerned with 'doing what's right' over what >> is 'by the book' as a judge you should be removed. As a person, well, >> in my opinion you are to be lauded. But then who decides what is >> right? The law represents what MOST people think is right, or at >> least that is it's purpose. Judges must follow the law and stop >> trying to reinvent it as you go along. That is what congress is for. >> >> dj >> >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Tinker<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I don't know how you made that connection, but it ain't none of mine. >> > All I said was "rule overrules right" with more words. >> > Until we change that, we're going down the tube. >> >> > peace & Love >> >> > On Jul 3, 6:22 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Rule (law), something predetermined, is given authority >> >> over our 'Feeling' of what is right or wrong in a here and now >> >> situation. >> >> Until we change that, we're going down the tube. -Tink >> >> >> Well the appointment of Sotomayor does exactly that. I'm sorry you >> >> see that as a good thing. >> >> >> dj >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Tinker<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > "The rule of law needs to be returned to the American people" >> >> >> > First, it should read 'the people of the world'. >> >> > "The rule of law" has never been in the hands of the people, to be >> >> > returned. Since the beginning of civilization laws have been >> >> > established to "rule" the people. The wonderful idea, "of the people, >> >> > by the people and for the people", has been and will continue to be >> >> > consumed by the first part, unless the system (pattern) is changed. >> >> >> > "The rule of law" is at the bottom line in the decision making process >> >> > of mankind. Rule (law), something predetermined, is given authority >> >> > over our 'Feeling' of what is right or wrong in a here and now >> >> > situation. >> >> > Until we change that, we're going down the tube. >> >> >> > peace & Love >> >> >> > On Jul 3, 6:24 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Don this is a very important document along with the bill of rights. >> >> >> On the >> >> >> 4th of July we need to examine how they have been violated by any >> >> >> administration especially the Bush administration over his term in >> >> >> office, >> >> >> examine the patriot act for violations of those basic rights. and the >> >> >> activities of all government agencies and corporations for violations >> >> >> and >> >> >> infringing on these rights. >> >> >> >> The rule of law needs to be returned to the American people getting >> >> >> them out >> >> >> from under the oppressive rule of the corporations. it needs to be one >> >> >> man >> >> >> one vote, with no super votes.. Corporations need to be stripped of >> >> >> their >> >> >> rights as citizens. refusing them super citizenship. When corporations >> >> >> commit a felony (and they do) they need to be stripped of all legal >> >> >> protection exposing the share holders of that corporation to the full >> >> >> extent >> >> >> of damages for the crimes their corporations commit. No one should be >> >> >> allowed to profit from the commission of crimes. >> >> >> >> Taxes need to be implemented so that all people pay according to their >> >> >> means, translated the more you make the more you pay and rightly so. >> >> >> Corporations moving money over seas need to have that money taxed so >> >> >> thy pay >> >> >> their fair share of taxes. >> >> >> >> When these start to unfold then the USA will be the last great hope. >> >> >> as it >> >> >> is it is simple , I am saddened to say is counted among the failed >> >> >> states. >> >> >> Allan >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Ya know, this is really just one big, fat, apology... >> >> >> >> > IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 >> >> >> > The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America >> >> >> >> > When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one >> >> >> > people >> >> >> > to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with >> >> >> > another >> >> >> > and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal >> >> >> > station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, >> >> >> > a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should >> >> >> > declare the causes which impel them to the separation. >> >> >> >> > We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created >> >> >> > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain >> >> >> > unalienable >> >> >> > Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of >> >> >> > Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted >> >> >> > among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the >> >> >> > governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive >> >> >> > of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish >> >> >> > it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such >> >> >> > principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall >> >> >> > seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, >> >> >> > indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be >> >> >> > changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all >> >> >> > experience >> >> >> > hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are >> >> >> > sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which >> >> >> > they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, >> >> >> > pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them >> >> >> > under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to >> >> >> > throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future >> >> >> > security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; >> >> >> > and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their >> >> >> > former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of >> >> >> > Great >> >> >> > Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having >> >> >> > in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these >> >> >> > States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. >> >> >> >> > He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary >> >> >> > for the public good. >> >> >> >> > He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing >> >> >> > importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent >> >> >> > should >> >> >> > be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to >> >> >> > attend >> >> >> > to them. >> >> >> >> > He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large >> >> >> > districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right >> >> >> > of >> >> >> > Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and >> >> >> > formidable to tyrants only. >> >> >> >> > He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, >> >> >> > uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public >> >> >> > Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with >> >> >> > his measures. >> >> >> >> > He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with >> >> >> > manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. >> >> >> >> > He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause >> >> >> > others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of >> >> >> > Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their >> >> >> > exercise; >> >> >> > the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of >> >> >> > invasion from without, and convulsions within. >> >> >> >> > He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; >> >> >> > refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and >> >> >> > raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. >> >> >> >> > He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his >> >> >> > Assent >> >> >> > to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers. >> >> >> >> > He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of >> >> >> > their >> >> >> > offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. >> >> >> >> > He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of >> >> >> > Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. >> >> >> >> > He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the >> >> >> > Consent of our legislatures. >> >> >> >> > He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to >> >> >> > the Civil Power. >> >> >> >> > He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > their Acts of pretended Legislation: >> >> >> >> > For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: >> >> >> >> > For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders >> >> >> > which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: >> >> >> >> > For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world: >> >> >> >> > For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: >> >> >> >> > For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury: >> >> >> >> > For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences: >> >> >> >> > For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring >> >> >> > Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging >> >> >> > its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit >> >> >> > instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies >> >> >> >> > For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and >> >> >> > altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments: >> >> >> >> > For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves >> >> >> > invested >> >> >> > with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. >> >> >> >> > He has abdicated Government here, by >> >> ... >> >> read more » > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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