I'm writing something at the moment around the fact that the average IQ of those passing through police interrogations is 82 - trying to dress it in a bit of wry humour. The 82 to mark is halfway between human average and a smart Guide Dog and with some charity we may suppose the average is not based on a sample including the police officers - that sort of thing. Despite this, I am trying to work out some of the serious implications of society's treatment of people without wisdom, a question in which I think the productive turn may well be where wisdom lies when actions are governed by self-interest. In a recent UK case, our courts convicted a Portuguese bloke of murder on evidence as convincing as that that led the denizens of Hartlepool to hang a chimpanzee as a French spy. Unconvinced by evidence of their own eyes viewing CCTV footage and that of several British scientists, they hired a lunatic American (who has since topped himself) with a history of lying to an extent significantly in excess of any of our ripping yarns who did convince judge and jury that the woman who died (actually a likely suicide) was carrying a bag invisible on the CCTV. Cops and prosecution failed to disclose all the forensic evidence and opinion (including that of our own forensic science department) that the bag was not present in the CCTV and are still in denial about their frame. The bloke is now free, but the lessons are clearly not being learned. It isn't safe to conclude that our cops, lawyers and judges have lower IQs than smart Guide Dogs, but this case does demonstrate a lack of wisdom and integrity. Maybe we could define such terms through what they are not?
On 11 July, 02:48, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Sure, it's done, I'll be awaiting some thoughts, insights and > hopefully some wisdom as well. > > On Jul 10, 6:38 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Overall, about rational/irrational, sane/ insane thoughts etc…both are > > part of our psyche. Both are in fact part of our ‘wisdom’. Our past, > > when clarified becomes our treasure. > > Oh, and my view(s) are quite tempered by this group too Molly. And, > > Slip, perhaps you would like to start a Wisdom topic? > > > On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I guess we could consider that truth of wisdom teeth as well. Never > > > understood why they would correlate teeth with wisdom when in fact > > > they came in last during childhood years and many don't have them when > > > they reach the age of actually having wisdom. > > > Wisdom is an interesting subject and one that should be explored. > > > > On Jul 10, 8:48 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Good point, orn, that wisdom can ebb and flow as emotion or irrational > > > > thought enters into the mind. I think we have influenced each other > > > > greatly, here in the mind's eye, in some ways, so subtle it is hard to > > > > define. But I do appreciate it. I do. > > > > > On Jul 9, 3:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Slip, wisdom comes and wisdom goes…;-) I’ve lost more than I have > > > > > gained in many ways. > > > > > > I was quite the wimp when only 2 at a time were extracted. > > > > > > Oh, and glad I groked your tack here…the winds often change abruptly. > > > > > See “expansion”!!! ;-) > > > > > > And Neil, here I thought it was all a conspiracy set in motion by the > > > > > now burgeoning blood glucose meter industry! Oh, perhaps those pushing > > > > > corn which is now 70-80% of our diet…corn syrup being a major player > > > > > and relatively new to our bodies in its current form. > > > > > Over the years, I have found the location of the diet fads you mention > > > > > within levels of consciousness. On the whole, they are the projection > > > > > of beliefs around the theories and reality being imposed upon others, > > > > > mostly by philosopher – charlatans. > > > > > > For the record, I have a residual religious distaste in my mouth too > > > > > so can fully empathize with you on that. I agree fully with evaluation > > > > > too, and if you meant ‘equifinality’, we agree here too. As for the > > > > > former, this has been in process for a long time. In current day > > > > > formats, I’ve shared, as Molly does on occasion, resources. A few for > > > > > the nonce: > > > > > > Insight Meditation Weekend for Scientists - WS > > > > > September 17 - 20, > > > > > 2009http://www.dharma.org/ims/retreat_detail.php?id=154 > > > > > > Mind & Life Institutehttp://www.mindandlife.org/ > > > > > > The Shamatha Projecthttp://www.sbinstitute.com/research_Shamatha.html > > > > > > Letter to HHDL and his response about the above Scientific > > > > > Projecthttp://www.sbinstitute.com/ISP.html > > > > > > On Jul 9, 9:17 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Thank you all for the healing energy put forth. I requested a > > > > > > bridge > > > > > > that required two extractions and then there came the impacted > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > on each side, so I opted for the four during the one sitting. I > > > > > > have > > > > > > a new appreciation for baby food but in another week or so I should > > > > > > be > > > > > > chomping down some good solids. lol > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 9:29 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > toothache with achy consilience! There is poetry there! Be well, > > > > > > > Slip, and enjoy the expansion in all forms. > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 12:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > That was great Orn, such introspection revealed in a > > > > > > > > extrovertive way > > > > > > > > and good links as well. I think you zeroed in on what I was > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > when I formed the op. The contemplative moments in life are or > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > fleeting and one must take every opportunity to delve into, > > > > > > > > whenever > > > > > > > > possible, those moments. You have brought out much that was > > > > > > > > subdued > > > > > > > > in my thoughts and expanded that which was only hinted at, like > > > > > > > > a seed > > > > > > > > that eventually blossoms. I've been so disconnected lately > > > > > > > > after oral > > > > > > > > surgery and the ensuing onslaught of the pain management > > > > > > > > program. I > > > > > > > > feel like I'm reentering a lost world and that is perhaps why I > > > > > > > > engaged a transversal mental modality. Thanks for the > > > > > > > > expansion. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 10:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Slip, thanks for the wonderful topic. > > > > > > > > > > It is one that I’ve been contemplating a lot the last couple > > > > > > > > > of years > > > > > > > > > with no clear resolution, so what I type here will as a > > > > > > > > > consequence > > > > > > > > > appear incoherent necessarily. > > > > > > > > > > “Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some > > > > > > > > > point in > > > > > > > > > time.” – sd > > > > > > > > > > Yes, all things have a beginning, middle and an end. This is > > > > > > > > > true for > > > > > > > > > what many call ‘life’ too. This I say even though I fully > > > > > > > > > embrace that > > > > > > > > > eternal spark within us all. Sometimes I express our ‘being’ > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > world as an aspect of > > > > > > > > > emanation.http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/emanatio.htmhttp://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinu... > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > This even though there are vastly differing understandings of > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > view. So, when one talks about life, the very nature of being > > > > > > > > > and what > > > > > > > > > we are as human beings needs to be fully addressed and > > > > > > > > > understood. Few > > > > > > > > > do either. Without clarity on this primary point, the rest of > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > musings, including the notion of influence or doing or > > > > > > > > > personal will > > > > > > > > > are more like comic book stories projected upon a large > > > > > > > > > panorama with > > > > > > > > > no actual life or being to be found. > > > > > > > > > > For the nonce, I’ll rant on some of the components of your > > > > > > > > > post and > > > > > > > > > then continue with my own projection of my best understanding > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > topic. > > > > > > > > > > “Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what > > > > > > > > > are we as > > > > > > > > > individuals doing to influence the world as those that we see > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > television.” – sd > > > > > > > > > > Seen as an analogy, the above is wonderful Slip! And, > > > > > > > > > television is > > > > > > > > > but a commercial venture today with no more illusion to > > > > > > > > > existing for > > > > > > > > > the common good. What is seen there is almost entirely one > > > > > > > > > thing, an > > > > > > > > > attempt at influencing the watcher into purchasing something: > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > coke to cars, from religion to ratatui, from drugs to > > > > > > > > > democracy, from > > > > > > > > > opinions to being objects of social engineering. (A side plug > > > > > > > > > here for > > > > > > > > > Chomsky’s clarity > > > > > > > > > here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJuqoDvyXOk > > > > > > > > > part 1 of 9) > > > > > > > > > > “There are those of us who sit idly within our private worlds > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our own > > > > > > > > > world, > > > > > > > > > to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes our > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > the right world for each of us.” – sd > > > > > > > > > > Quite insightful again Slip and another great analogy…that of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > painter. You continue with: “The real world is always > > > > > > > > > tomorrow as each > > > > > > > > > of us realize that we are soon to become part of the past and > > > > > > > > > that all > > > > > > > > > of what we have fashioned for ourselves somehow, someday > > > > > > > > > becomes just > > > > > > > > > a dream.” – sd > > > > > > > > > > As wonderful and clear as this is, and I share similar > > > > > > > > > musings, I must > > > > > > > > > ask, is not it all ‘just a dream’? Even your additional > > > > > > > > > reminder to > > > > > > > > > wake up: “One need only to think ahead as a 99 year old > > > > > > > > > person, who > > > > > > > > > stares into space reminiscing the past and realizing it was > > > > > > > > > all just a > > > > > > > > > temporary ride."What have I done?", "What was I thinking?", > > > > > > > > > "Why did > > > > > > > > > I buy the dream?"” > > > > > > > > > > Is not even this a dream for us? I feel that in many ways it > > > > > > > > > is. To > > > > > > > > > support this view, I’ll quickly recap. Life is transitory. We > > > > > > > > > absorb > > > > > > > > > and reflect what we see. This absorption and reflection is > > > > > > > > > influenced > > > > > > > > > by previous attachments we have acquired ad infinitum! (along > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > things like hormones, neural chemistry, the seasons, dna > > > > > > > > > etc.) The > > > > > > > > > result is what we call ‘self’…and this self in such a chain > > > > > > > > > of events > > > > > > > > > is but a ripple in the stream of life…using ID’s analogy. > > > > > > > > > Thus, there > > > > > > > > > is the emanation aspect of ‘being’. > > > > > > > > > > This, to me, can only be observed clarified internally. Doing > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > requires vision that is of what some would call a divine > > > > > > > > > stance… a > > > > > > > > > universal and eternal view. Without tapping into this spark > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > eternal creation, our actions are but that of an automaton > > > > > > > > > embracing > > > > > > > > > the noise in our heads as being freedom to act. This sort of > > > > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > deification, believing in methods others have used on matter > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > attempting to transfer such methods to the ancient practice > > > > > > > > > of self > > > > > > > > > observation often results in even more comical two dimensional > > > > > > > > > characters. > > > > > > > > > > So, when you ask “Have you in some way influenced the world? > > > > > > > > > Are you > > > > > > > > > buying a dream? 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