I guess we could consider that truth of wisdom teeth as well. Never understood why they would correlate teeth with wisdom when in fact they came in last during childhood years and many don't have them when they reach the age of actually having wisdom. Wisdom is an interesting subject and one that should be explored.
On Jul 10, 8:48 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > Good point, orn, that wisdom can ebb and flow as emotion or irrational > thought enters into the mind. I think we have influenced each other > greatly, here in the mind's eye, in some ways, so subtle it is hard to > define. But I do appreciate it. I do. > > On Jul 9, 3:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Slip, wisdom comes and wisdom goes…;-) I’ve lost more than I have > > gained in many ways. > > > I was quite the wimp when only 2 at a time were extracted. > > > Oh, and glad I groked your tack here…the winds often change abruptly. > > See “expansion”!!! ;-) > > > And Neil, here I thought it was all a conspiracy set in motion by the > > now burgeoning blood glucose meter industry! Oh, perhaps those pushing > > corn which is now 70-80% of our diet…corn syrup being a major player > > and relatively new to our bodies in its current form. > > Over the years, I have found the location of the diet fads you mention > > within levels of consciousness. On the whole, they are the projection > > of beliefs around the theories and reality being imposed upon others, > > mostly by philosopher – charlatans. > > > For the record, I have a residual religious distaste in my mouth too > > so can fully empathize with you on that. I agree fully with evaluation > > too, and if you meant ‘equifinality’, we agree here too. As for the > > former, this has been in process for a long time. In current day > > formats, I’ve shared, as Molly does on occasion, resources. A few for > > the nonce: > > > Insight Meditation Weekend for Scientists - WS > > September 17 - 20, 2009http://www.dharma.org/ims/retreat_detail.php?id=154 > > > Mind & Life Institutehttp://www.mindandlife.org/ > > > The Shamatha Projecthttp://www.sbinstitute.com/research_Shamatha.html > > > Letter to HHDL and his response about the above Scientific > > Projecthttp://www.sbinstitute.com/ISP.html > > > On Jul 9, 9:17 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Thank you all for the healing energy put forth. I requested a bridge > > > that required two extractions and then there came the impacted wisdom > > > on each side, so I opted for the four during the one sitting. I have > > > a new appreciation for baby food but in another week or so I should be > > > chomping down some good solids. lol > > > > On Jul 9, 9:29 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > toothache with achy consilience! There is poetry there! Be well, > > > > Slip, and enjoy the expansion in all forms. > > > > > On Jul 9, 12:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > That was great Orn, such introspection revealed in a extrovertive way > > > > > and good links as well. I think you zeroed in on what I was thinking > > > > > when I formed the op. The contemplative moments in life are or can be > > > > > fleeting and one must take every opportunity to delve into, whenever > > > > > possible, those moments. You have brought out much that was subdued > > > > > in my thoughts and expanded that which was only hinted at, like a seed > > > > > that eventually blossoms. I've been so disconnected lately after oral > > > > > surgery and the ensuing onslaught of the pain management program. I > > > > > feel like I'm reentering a lost world and that is perhaps why I > > > > > engaged a transversal mental modality. Thanks for the expansion. > > > > > > On Jul 8, 10:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Slip, thanks for the wonderful topic. > > > > > > > It is one that I’ve been contemplating a lot the last couple of > > > > > > years > > > > > > with no clear resolution, so what I type here will as a consequence > > > > > > appear incoherent necessarily. > > > > > > > “Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some point > > > > > > in > > > > > > time.” – sd > > > > > > > Yes, all things have a beginning, middle and an end. This is true > > > > > > for > > > > > > what many call ‘life’ too. This I say even though I fully embrace > > > > > > that > > > > > > eternal spark within us all. Sometimes I express our ‘being’ in the > > > > > > world as an aspect of > > > > > > emanation.http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/emanatio.htmhttp://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinu... > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > This even though there are vastly differing understandings of this > > > > > > view. So, when one talks about life, the very nature of being and > > > > > > what > > > > > > we are as human beings needs to be fully addressed and understood. > > > > > > Few > > > > > > do either. Without clarity on this primary point, the rest of our > > > > > > musings, including the notion of influence or doing or personal will > > > > > > are more like comic book stories projected upon a large panorama > > > > > > with > > > > > > no actual life or being to be found. > > > > > > > For the nonce, I’ll rant on some of the components of your post and > > > > > > then continue with my own projection of my best understanding of the > > > > > > topic. > > > > > > > “Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what are we > > > > > > as > > > > > > individuals doing to influence the world as those that we see on > > > > > > television.” – sd > > > > > > > Seen as an analogy, the above is wonderful Slip! And, television is > > > > > > but a commercial venture today with no more illusion to existing for > > > > > > the common good. What is seen there is almost entirely one thing, an > > > > > > attempt at influencing the watcher into purchasing something: from > > > > > > coke to cars, from religion to ratatui, from drugs to democracy, > > > > > > from > > > > > > opinions to being objects of social engineering. (A side plug here > > > > > > for > > > > > > Chomsky’s clarity here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJuqoDvyXOk > > > > > > part 1 of 9) > > > > > > > “There are those of us who sit idly within our private worlds and > > > > > > judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our own world, > > > > > > to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes our world > > > > > > the right world for each of us.” – sd > > > > > > > Quite insightful again Slip and another great analogy…that of the > > > > > > painter. You continue with: “The real world is always tomorrow as > > > > > > each > > > > > > of us realize that we are soon to become part of the past and that > > > > > > all > > > > > > of what we have fashioned for ourselves somehow, someday becomes > > > > > > just > > > > > > a dream.” – sd > > > > > > > As wonderful and clear as this is, and I share similar musings, I > > > > > > must > > > > > > ask, is not it all ‘just a dream’? Even your additional reminder to > > > > > > wake up: “One need only to think ahead as a 99 year old person, who > > > > > > stares into space reminiscing the past and realizing it was all > > > > > > just a > > > > > > temporary ride."What have I done?", "What was I thinking?", "Why > > > > > > did > > > > > > I buy the dream?"” > > > > > > > Is not even this a dream for us? I feel that in many ways it is. To > > > > > > support this view, I’ll quickly recap. Life is transitory. We absorb > > > > > > and reflect what we see. This absorption and reflection is > > > > > > influenced > > > > > > by previous attachments we have acquired ad infinitum! (along with > > > > > > things like hormones, neural chemistry, the seasons, dna etc.) The > > > > > > result is what we call ‘self’…and this self in such a chain of > > > > > > events > > > > > > is but a ripple in the stream of life…using ID’s analogy. Thus, > > > > > > there > > > > > > is the emanation aspect of ‘being’. > > > > > > > This, to me, can only be observed clarified internally. Doing this > > > > > > requires vision that is of what some would call a divine stance… a > > > > > > universal and eternal view. Without tapping into this spark of the > > > > > > eternal creation, our actions are but that of an automaton embracing > > > > > > the noise in our heads as being freedom to act. This sort of self > > > > > > deification, believing in methods others have used on matter and > > > > > > attempting to transfer such methods to the ancient practice of self > > > > > > observation often results in even more comical two dimensional > > > > > > characters. > > > > > > > So, when you ask “Have you in some way influenced the world? Are you > > > > > > buying a dream? Do you think that you have some say in the future, > > > > > > your future, the future of your progeny, of your planet, of > > > > > > your.....................................................? “ Slip, I > > > > > > can in all honesty say that I feel little to no influence, mainly > > > > > > due > > > > > > to watching what some would call my actions and intentions and > > > > > > seeing > > > > > > them as having a beginning long ago, thus merely harmonizing with > > > > > > the > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > Am I buying a dream? Only in the sense of having found that I have > > > > > > been asleep, I remain asleep in some ways…not as a purchase from > > > > > > another, but as one aspect of the awakening process. > > > > > > > Do I think that I have some say in the future..? Only in the sense > > > > > > that my thoughts do take this form on occasion, like when I call my > > > > > > congressman and take personal action for the good. However, do note > > > > > > that this is based on thoughts, not the foundational base of being. > > > > > > > Most likely unlike others here, I will echo the words of a great > > > > > > teacher: “Don’t touch the painting.” > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 1:23 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some point > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > time. Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > we as individuals doing to influence the world as those that we > > > > > > > see on > > > > > > > television. There are those of us who sit idly within our private > > > > > > > worlds and judge the world around us in order to somehow justify > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > own world, to make it right for us, to paint that picture that > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > our world the right world for each of us. > > > > > > > The real world is always tomorrow as each of us realize > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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