so, influence can be bad or good? In retrospect, I have been considered either in my life time. Recently not a bad influence, but probably as a young adult, but thankfully, not by everyone. Radical was good back then, but not to everyone.
On Jul 11, 8:44 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm writing something at the moment around the fact that the average > IQ of those passing through police interrogations is 82 - trying to > dress it in a bit of wry humour. The 82 to mark is halfway between > human average and a smart Guide Dog and with some charity we may > suppose the average is not based on a sample including the police > officers - that sort of thing. Despite this, I am trying to work out > some of the serious implications of society's treatment of people > without wisdom, a question in which I think the productive turn may > well be where wisdom lies when actions are governed by self-interest. > In a recent UK case, our courts convicted a Portuguese bloke of murder > on evidence as convincing as that that led the denizens of Hartlepool > to hang a chimpanzee as a French spy. Unconvinced by evidence of > their own eyes viewing CCTV footage and that of several British > scientists, they hired a lunatic American (who has since topped > himself) with a history of lying to an extent significantly in excess > of any of our ripping yarns who did convince judge and jury that the > woman who died (actually a likely suicide) was carrying a bag > invisible on the CCTV. Cops and prosecution failed to disclose all > the forensic evidence and opinion (including that of our own forensic > science department) that the bag was not present in the CCTV and are > still in denial about their frame. The bloke is now free, but the > lessons are clearly not being learned. It isn't safe to conclude that > our cops, lawyers and judges have lower IQs than smart Guide Dogs, but > this case does demonstrate a lack of wisdom and integrity. Maybe we > could define such terms through what they are not? > > On 11 July, 02:48, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sure, it's done, I'll be awaiting some thoughts, insights and > > hopefully some wisdom as well. > > > On Jul 10, 6:38 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Overall, about rational/irrational, sane/ insane thoughts etc…both are > > > part of our psyche. Both are in fact part of our ‘wisdom’. Our past, > > > when clarified becomes our treasure. > > > Oh, and my view(s) are quite tempered by this group too Molly. And, > > > Slip, perhaps you would like to start a Wisdom topic? > > > > On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I guess we could consider that truth of wisdom teeth as well. Never > > > > understood why they would correlate teeth with wisdom when in fact > > > > they came in last during childhood years and many don't have them when > > > > they reach the age of actually having wisdom. > > > > Wisdom is an interesting subject and one that should be explored. > > > > > On Jul 10, 8:48 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Good point, orn, that wisdom can ebb and flow as emotion or irrational > > > > > thought enters into the mind. I think we have influenced each other > > > > > greatly, here in the mind's eye, in some ways, so subtle it is hard to > > > > > define. But I do appreciate it. I do. > > > > > > On Jul 9, 3:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Slip, wisdom comes and wisdom goes…;-) I’ve lost more than I have > > > > > > gained in many ways. > > > > > > > I was quite the wimp when only 2 at a time were extracted. > > > > > > > Oh, and glad I groked your tack here…the winds often change > > > > > > abruptly. > > > > > > See “expansion”!!! ;-) > > > > > > > And Neil, here I thought it was all a conspiracy set in motion by > > > > > > the > > > > > > now burgeoning blood glucose meter industry! Oh, perhaps those > > > > > > pushing > > > > > > corn which is now 70-80% of our diet…corn syrup being a major player > > > > > > and relatively new to our bodies in its current form. > > > > > > Over the years, I have found the location of the diet fads you > > > > > > mention > > > > > > within levels of consciousness. On the whole, they are the > > > > > > projection > > > > > > of beliefs around the theories and reality being imposed upon > > > > > > others, > > > > > > mostly by philosopher – charlatans. > > > > > > > For the record, I have a residual religious distaste in my mouth too > > > > > > so can fully empathize with you on that. I agree fully with > > > > > > evaluation > > > > > > too, and if you meant ‘equifinality’, we agree here too. As for the > > > > > > former, this has been in process for a long time. In current day > > > > > > formats, I’ve shared, as Molly does on occasion, resources. A few > > > > > > for > > > > > > the nonce: > > > > > > > Insight Meditation Weekend for Scientists - WS > > > > > > September 17 - 20, > > > > > > 2009http://www.dharma.org/ims/retreat_detail.php?id=154 > > > > > > > Mind & Life Institutehttp://www.mindandlife.org/ > > > > > > > The Shamatha > > > > > > Projecthttp://www.sbinstitute.com/research_Shamatha.html > > > > > > > Letter to HHDL and his response about the above Scientific > > > > > > Projecthttp://www.sbinstitute.com/ISP.html > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 9:17 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank you all for the healing energy put forth. I requested a > > > > > > > bridge > > > > > > > that required two extractions and then there came the impacted > > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > on each side, so I opted for the four during the one sitting. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > a new appreciation for baby food but in another week or so I > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > chomping down some good solids. lol > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 9:29 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > toothache with achy consilience! There is poetry there! Be > > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > Slip, and enjoy the expansion in all forms. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 12:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That was great Orn, such introspection revealed in a > > > > > > > > > extrovertive way > > > > > > > > > and good links as well. I think you zeroed in on what I was > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > when I formed the op. The contemplative moments in life are > > > > > > > > > or can be > > > > > > > > > fleeting and one must take every opportunity to delve into, > > > > > > > > > whenever > > > > > > > > > possible, those moments. You have brought out much that was > > > > > > > > > subdued > > > > > > > > > in my thoughts and expanded that which was only hinted at, > > > > > > > > > like a seed > > > > > > > > > that eventually blossoms. I've been so disconnected lately > > > > > > > > > after oral > > > > > > > > > surgery and the ensuing onslaught of the pain management > > > > > > > > > program. I > > > > > > > > > feel like I'm reentering a lost world and that is perhaps why > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > engaged a transversal mental modality. Thanks for the > > > > > > > > > expansion. > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 10:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Slip, thanks for the wonderful topic. > > > > > > > > > > > It is one that I’ve been contemplating a lot the last > > > > > > > > > > couple of years > > > > > > > > > > with no clear resolution, so what I type here will as a > > > > > > > > > > consequence > > > > > > > > > > appear incoherent necessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > “Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at > > > > > > > > > > some point in > > > > > > > > > > time.” – sd > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, all things have a beginning, middle and an end. This > > > > > > > > > > is true for > > > > > > > > > > what many call ‘life’ too. This I say even though I fully > > > > > > > > > > embrace that > > > > > > > > > > eternal spark within us all. Sometimes I express our > > > > > > > > > > ‘being’ in the > > > > > > > > > > world as an aspect of > > > > > > > > > > emanation.http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/emanatio.htmhttp://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinu... > > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > This even though there are vastly differing understandings > > > > > > > > > > of this > > > > > > > > > > view. So, when one talks about life, the very nature of > > > > > > > > > > being and what > > > > > > > > > > we are as human beings needs to be fully addressed and > > > > > > > > > > understood. Few > > > > > > > > > > do either. Without clarity on this primary point, the rest > > > > > > > > > > of our > > > > > > > > > > musings, including the notion of influence or doing or > > > > > > > > > > personal will > > > > > > > > > > are more like comic book stories projected upon a large > > > > > > > > > > panorama with > > > > > > > > > > no actual life or being to be found. > > > > > > > > > > > For the nonce, I’ll rant on some of the components of your > > > > > > > > > > post and > > > > > > > > > > then continue with my own projection of my best > > > > > > > > > > understanding of the > > > > > > > > > > topic. > > > > > > > > > > > “Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what > > > > > > > > > > are we as > > > > > > > > > > individuals doing to influence the world as those that we > > > > > > > > > > see on > > > > > > > > > > television.” – sd > > > > > > > > > > > Seen as an analogy, the above is wonderful Slip! And, > > > > > > > > > > television is > > > > > > > > > > but a commercial venture today with no more illusion to > > > > > > > > > > existing for > > > > > > > > > > the common good. What is seen there is almost entirely one > > > > > > > > > > thing, an > > > > > > > > > > attempt at influencing the watcher into purchasing > > > > > > > > > > something: from > > > > > > > > > > coke to cars, from religion to ratatui, from drugs to > > > > > > > > > > democracy, from > > > > > > > > > > opinions to being objects of social engineering. (A side > > > > > > > > > > plug here for > > > > > > > > > > Chomsky’s clarity > > > > > > > > > > here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJuqoDvyXOk > > > > > > > > > > part 1 of 9) > > > > > > > > > > > “There are those of us who sit idly within our private > > > > > > > > > > worlds and > > > > > > > > > > judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our > > > > > > > > > > own world, > > > > > > > > > > to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes > > > > > > > > > > our world > > > > > > > > > > the right world for each of us.” – sd > > > > > > > > > > > Quite insightful again Slip and another great analogy…that > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > painter. You continue with: “The real world is always > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow as each > > > > > > > > > > of us realize that we are soon to become part of the past > > > > > > > > > > and that all > > > > > > > > > > of what we have fashioned for ourselves somehow, someday > > > > > > > > > > becomes just > > > > > > > > > > a dream.” – sd > > > > > > > > > > > As wonderful and clear as this is, and I share similar > > > > > > > > > > musings, I must > > > > > > > > > > ask, is not it all ‘just a > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
