Sure, it's done, I'll be awaiting some thoughts, insights and hopefully some wisdom as well.
On Jul 10, 6:38 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Overall, about rational/irrational, sane/ insane thoughts etc…both are > part of our psyche. Both are in fact part of our ‘wisdom’. Our past, > when clarified becomes our treasure. > Oh, and my view(s) are quite tempered by this group too Molly. And, > Slip, perhaps you would like to start a Wisdom topic? > > On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I guess we could consider that truth of wisdom teeth as well. Never > > understood why they would correlate teeth with wisdom when in fact > > they came in last during childhood years and many don't have them when > > they reach the age of actually having wisdom. > > Wisdom is an interesting subject and one that should be explored. > > > On Jul 10, 8:48 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Good point, orn, that wisdom can ebb and flow as emotion or irrational > > > thought enters into the mind. I think we have influenced each other > > > greatly, here in the mind's eye, in some ways, so subtle it is hard to > > > define. But I do appreciate it. I do. > > > > On Jul 9, 3:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Slip, wisdom comes and wisdom goes…;-) I’ve lost more than I have > > > > gained in many ways. > > > > > I was quite the wimp when only 2 at a time were extracted. > > > > > Oh, and glad I groked your tack here…the winds often change abruptly. > > > > See “expansion”!!! ;-) > > > > > And Neil, here I thought it was all a conspiracy set in motion by the > > > > now burgeoning blood glucose meter industry! Oh, perhaps those pushing > > > > corn which is now 70-80% of our diet…corn syrup being a major player > > > > and relatively new to our bodies in its current form. > > > > Over the years, I have found the location of the diet fads you mention > > > > within levels of consciousness. On the whole, they are the projection > > > > of beliefs around the theories and reality being imposed upon others, > > > > mostly by philosopher – charlatans. > > > > > For the record, I have a residual religious distaste in my mouth too > > > > so can fully empathize with you on that. I agree fully with evaluation > > > > too, and if you meant ‘equifinality’, we agree here too. As for the > > > > former, this has been in process for a long time. In current day > > > > formats, I’ve shared, as Molly does on occasion, resources. A few for > > > > the nonce: > > > > > Insight Meditation Weekend for Scientists - WS > > > > September 17 - 20, > > > > 2009http://www.dharma.org/ims/retreat_detail.php?id=154 > > > > > Mind & Life Institutehttp://www.mindandlife.org/ > > > > > The Shamatha Projecthttp://www.sbinstitute.com/research_Shamatha.html > > > > > Letter to HHDL and his response about the above Scientific > > > > Projecthttp://www.sbinstitute.com/ISP.html > > > > > On Jul 9, 9:17 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you all for the healing energy put forth. I requested a bridge > > > > > that required two extractions and then there came the impacted wisdom > > > > > on each side, so I opted for the four during the one sitting. I have > > > > > a new appreciation for baby food but in another week or so I should be > > > > > chomping down some good solids. lol > > > > > > On Jul 9, 9:29 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > toothache with achy consilience! There is poetry there! Be well, > > > > > > Slip, and enjoy the expansion in all forms. > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 12:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > That was great Orn, such introspection revealed in a extrovertive > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > and good links as well. I think you zeroed in on what I was > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > when I formed the op. The contemplative moments in life are or > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > fleeting and one must take every opportunity to delve into, > > > > > > > whenever > > > > > > > possible, those moments. You have brought out much that was > > > > > > > subdued > > > > > > > in my thoughts and expanded that which was only hinted at, like a > > > > > > > seed > > > > > > > that eventually blossoms. I've been so disconnected lately after > > > > > > > oral > > > > > > > surgery and the ensuing onslaught of the pain management program. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > feel like I'm reentering a lost world and that is perhaps why I > > > > > > > engaged a transversal mental modality. Thanks for the expansion. > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 10:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Slip, thanks for the wonderful topic. > > > > > > > > > It is one that I’ve been contemplating a lot the last couple of > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > with no clear resolution, so what I type here will as a > > > > > > > > consequence > > > > > > > > appear incoherent necessarily. > > > > > > > > > “Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some > > > > > > > > point in > > > > > > > > time.” – sd > > > > > > > > > Yes, all things have a beginning, middle and an end. This is > > > > > > > > true for > > > > > > > > what many call ‘life’ too. This I say even though I fully > > > > > > > > embrace that > > > > > > > > eternal spark within us all. Sometimes I express our ‘being’ in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > world as an aspect of > > > > > > > > emanation.http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/emanatio.htmhttp://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinu... > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > This even though there are vastly differing understandings of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > view. So, when one talks about life, the very nature of being > > > > > > > > and what > > > > > > > > we are as human beings needs to be fully addressed and > > > > > > > > understood. Few > > > > > > > > do either. Without clarity on this primary point, the rest of > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > musings, including the notion of influence or doing or personal > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > are more like comic book stories projected upon a large > > > > > > > > panorama with > > > > > > > > no actual life or being to be found. > > > > > > > > > For the nonce, I’ll rant on some of the components of your post > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then continue with my own projection of my best understanding > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > topic. > > > > > > > > > “Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what are > > > > > > > > we as > > > > > > > > individuals doing to influence the world as those that we see on > > > > > > > > television.” – sd > > > > > > > > > Seen as an analogy, the above is wonderful Slip! And, > > > > > > > > television is > > > > > > > > but a commercial venture today with no more illusion to > > > > > > > > existing for > > > > > > > > the common good. What is seen there is almost entirely one > > > > > > > > thing, an > > > > > > > > attempt at influencing the watcher into purchasing something: > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > coke to cars, from religion to ratatui, from drugs to > > > > > > > > democracy, from > > > > > > > > opinions to being objects of social engineering. (A side plug > > > > > > > > here for > > > > > > > > Chomsky’s clarity > > > > > > > > here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJuqoDvyXOk > > > > > > > > part 1 of 9) > > > > > > > > > “There are those of us who sit idly within our private worlds > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our own > > > > > > > > world, > > > > > > > > to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes our > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > the right world for each of us.” – sd > > > > > > > > > Quite insightful again Slip and another great analogy…that of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > painter. You continue with: “The real world is always tomorrow > > > > > > > > as each > > > > > > > > of us realize that we are soon to become part of the past and > > > > > > > > that all > > > > > > > > of what we have fashioned for ourselves somehow, someday > > > > > > > > becomes just > > > > > > > > a dream.” – sd > > > > > > > > > As wonderful and clear as this is, and I share similar musings, > > > > > > > > I must > > > > > > > > ask, is not it all ‘just a dream’? Even your additional > > > > > > > > reminder to > > > > > > > > wake up: “One need only to think ahead as a 99 year old person, > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > stares into space reminiscing the past and realizing it was all > > > > > > > > just a > > > > > > > > temporary ride."What have I done?", "What was I thinking?", > > > > > > > > "Why did > > > > > > > > I buy the dream?"” > > > > > > > > > Is not even this a dream for us? I feel that in many ways it > > > > > > > > is. To > > > > > > > > support this view, I’ll quickly recap. Life is transitory. We > > > > > > > > absorb > > > > > > > > and reflect what we see. This absorption and reflection is > > > > > > > > influenced > > > > > > > > by previous attachments we have acquired ad infinitum! (along > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > things like hormones, neural chemistry, the seasons, dna etc.) > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > result is what we call ‘self’…and this self in such a chain of > > > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > is but a ripple in the stream of life…using ID’s analogy. Thus, > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is the emanation aspect of ‘being’. > > > > > > > > > This, to me, can only be observed clarified internally. Doing > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > requires vision that is of what some would call a divine > > > > > > > > stance… a > > > > > > > > universal and eternal view. Without tapping into this spark of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > eternal creation, our actions are but that of an automaton > > > > > > > > embracing > > > > > > > > the noise in our heads as being freedom to act. This sort of > > > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > deification, believing in methods others have used on matter and > > > > > > > > attempting to transfer such methods to the ancient practice of > > > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > observation often results in even more comical two dimensional > > > > > > > > characters. > > > > > > > > > So, when you ask “Have you in some way influenced the world? > > > > > > > > Are you > > > > > > > > buying a dream? Do you think that you have some say in the > > > > > > > > future, > > > > > > > > your future, the future of your progeny, of your planet, of > > > > > > > > your.....................................................? “ > > > > > > > > Slip, I > > > > > > > > can in all honesty say that I feel little to no influence, > > > > > > > > mainly due > > > > > > > > to watching what some would call my actions and intentions and > > > > > > > > seeing > > > > > > > > them as having a beginning long ago, thus merely harmonizing > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > Am I buying a dream? Only in the sense of having found that I > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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