This is simple belife Chris.  All of us hold to some belifes without
totaly understanding from whence they come, we sometimes call this
belife knowledge.

I have knowledge that the concept of God that I have is the best one
for me to work with, but how can it be knowledge?  It can't really it
is belife and opinion.  As your opinion about God dictates your belife
or absence of ;¬) in such an entity so you become more sure in your
mind that such a thing cannot be, you in essance start to know, to
have knowledge, to internalise your opinion, it starts to change into
belife, and if you belive a thing for long enough you can't help but
present it as knowledge.

On 31 July, 03:55, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm digging on this...you have to know it to not believe it, so where does
> the knowledge come from? *idea sort of forming*
> Am I on the right track?
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:46 PM, ornamentalmind
> <[email protected]>wrote:
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> > Due to the heat where I live (106 yesterday), I almost don’t have the
> > energy to engage in theology discussions today…and…
> > (Here it comes again for the old timers here! ;-) )
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> > I am a sort of a Gnostic/atheist….if one must assign terms. When it
> > comes to belief(s), the very notion of belief leaves me perplexed. I
> > can say that things I know about I can decide to give attention to.
> > Also, other things I know about I can not give attention to. In both
> > cases, one must have some knowledge/wisdom about the notion in
> > question.
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> > I project on others that they too must have some sort of notion of
> > what god must be/be like…what attributes are involved. This I find to
> > be the case whether they are theistic or atheistic. So, again in both
> > cases, the person knows about the thing being addressed, god in this
> > context. Some decide, based on some previous experience(s), to reject
> > the notion and others decide to embrace it. For me, the main question
> > here is what has led to the ‘now’ that produces a choice? An adjunct
> > question involves the above named attributes…but that is not the
> > foundation of this question. It does need to be addressed for people
> > to be clear in interaction about the divine though.
>
> > I’ll stop here and see if anyone wishes to continue…
>
> > On Jul 30, 12:11 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > HaHa Yes, it's a good replacement for normalcy as well. However, what
> > > some people consider weird, others consider normal, so it's really
> > > relegated to ones perception. And I agree about the problem of
> > > understanding religion through "normal" eyes.
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> > > On Jul 30, 2:17 pm, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > I find weirdness relieving. I think it's because it gives me a break
> > > > from tirelessly (without tires) trying to make sense of everything.
> > > > This is especially helpful when it comes to religion.- Hide quoted text
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