I thank you for the synopsis on the religion.  Whew, where do I start.
So far, meditation is required.  Not that this is a bad thing, I
really should try it, I think it is healthy.  I would have to learn
how to do it.

 And the doing work for the community sounds good, certainly helpful,
except that I am rather lazy and I like to spend the time I have here
on earth doing things I like to do. There is so much to do!
Art, photography, woodworking, writing, playing and recording
music....It is a good thing though,  this community work,  I think
some more sacrifice of my time to help others might be good for me and
for others.  I am rather selfish.  After all , it is my life,  I
should get to choose what to do with my time. You agree?

And here is the real problem I have with your religion, the hanging
out with "holy people."   They might get on my nerves.  I don't like
that requirement at all.  Do I have to?  I like to choose who I hang
with.  And I argue a lot.  Do they stand for that?  I have been told
that I am "abrasive" already in here.  It might be true.  I prefer the
term "provocative" (it has a little "positive" aspect to it)   I say
what I think, and I don't care if you are a holy person.

  Oh and I bet the gurus write like Tinker or worse don't they.  I
don't know if I can hang with those  colorful  phrases that nobody can
give me a clear interpretation of.  And if it is "old language" I get
really skeptical on interpretations and such.  I have a bad feeling on
that.

Let me know if you think I have a "prayer" to use a term.

On Jul 31, 8:13 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Heh heh, okay I'm going to start from the bottom here and work my way
> up.  You'll notice I do that offten, I'm not sure why, perhaps it is
> my bad short term memory, so that the last thing I read is the first
> thing in my head, whatever, but here we go.
>
> That's good and joyly decent of you old chap.
>
> In a nutshell then Sikhi teaches the belife in one god, and that God
> can be 'realised' (that is to say that we can overcome our false
> belife that we are seperated from God) by meditation upon God, by
> doing work for the community (that is the global one) and by keeping
> company of holy people.
>
> Unlike other religoins our holy scripture was written by the founders
> of the religioin, the ten Sikh Gurus, and at the death of our last
> human Guru (Guru Gobhind Singh) was pronouced by him to be the
> everlasting Guru and so renamed from the Adi Granth (Punjabi --(lit)
> first book) to Guru Granth Sahib.
>
> So we have the strange thing of regarding our holy scripture as a
> living Guru.  In addition we are taught that all religoins can lead to
> God, one can be a Muslim and as long meditiation(Simran) and good works
> (Seva) and keeping the company of the Sahd Sangat(holy congregation)
> is done then God realisation(Gurmukh) can happen.  In fact much of
> Guru Granth Sahib is taken up in this sort of thing, asking Muslims to
> let good works be their prayer mats, and Hindus to let Simran be their
> sacred thread etc..
>
> On 31 July, 15:42, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 31, 1:26 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Then at the risk of being accused of proselytising let me ask you do
> > > you know much about the Sikh faith?
>
> > Zilch.  If it comes with a book, and rules, and vague esoteric
> > language?  I am probably not going to like it, but I will give it a
> > looksee.
>
> > > Ther are many things that I have problems with, one such being the
> > > propensity of some atheists to use only the Christian concept of God
> > > when rufuting religion.  This makes litte sense to me, and seems
> > > illogical.
>
> > I will try and spread around any refutations evenly and fairly- Hide quoted 
> > text -
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