Chris, I found your post informing D how wrong he is ! That really does not add to the discussion. How, according to you, forget the statistics, does the the placebo work ?
On Aug 7, 7:29 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > What you saw on TV the other day was implicitly wrong. Prozan is an SSRI, > and has a specific and complex brain functionality. > > Additionally, the citation you provided is cleverly styled to appear to be > the APA website, but by navigating to the root domain, we see that it is in > actuality a virulently anti-psych website: > > http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/ > > This tends to color their data a bit, no? > > Here are some links to non-biased, peer reviewed studies at PubMed, the > general repository for scientific research in the US, directly addressing > the question of SSRI versus placebo. > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11405969?ordinalpos=1&itool=Entrez... > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19468281?ordinalpos=9&itool=Entrez... > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18922243?ordinalpos=25&itool=Entre... > > Here's a great quote: > > "In a 10-week randomised, double-blind trial in patients with panic > disorder, escitalopram (flexible doses 5-10 mg/d) was significantly more > effective than placebo in reducing the panic attack frequency, with a faster > onset of action than citalopram." > > In fact, in all the studies that I've seen where the efficacy of the > medication over placebo dropped to less than 30%, they were 'mild to > moderate' cases to begin with. > > In other words, the Prozac didn't help much because there wasn't much of a > chemical problem there to help with. Those cases should have been referred > to psychologists, not psychiatrists. Blaming the medication for not fixing a > problem that is not chemical in nature is downright silly. There's been a > cure for being stressed out and mildly depressed that humans have used for a > thousand years. It's called three friends and a Pub. > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:28 AM, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I found this article that claims that the placebo effect accounts for > > 50% of the improvement in depressed patients taking anitdepressents, > > while only 27% is due to the actual drug. I also saw something on TV > > the other day stating that Prozac was basically a sugar coated > > placebo. This seems to support a lot of what Molly is saying. > > >http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/1996-APA-placebo-vs-SSRI.htm- Hide > >quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
