I understand Molly. However, this particular subject is controversial. I'd put it as worse then abortion on the hackle raising scale. The unnecessary death of an innocent as a direct result of stubborn ignorance and a belief in what many people(myself included) think is >insert derogatory term here<. There is nothing more disturbing then the unnecessary suffering of a child. To hear someone seem to support even the possibility that such >inventive insulting pejorative< might be possible is upsetting. It might even cause one to be harsher then chivalry demands when speaking to a lady. I have to say, when compared with other forums I've visited, this one is most civilized. I'd say this is due to the attention of the moderators and I say thanks.
As regards positive thinking. Yes, it helps. It's like Ali, "I am the Greatest!" It can improve performance and can ease pain and suffering if one can train the mind to ignore such. But what it can't do is cure the sick. So I believe. dj On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Molly Brogan<[email protected]> wrote: > > Agreeing with Vam, I think what you propose can be done without > belittling or using derogatory language. As D points out, presenting > an alternate argument is very different than name calling someones > ideas and experiences. By doing that, you also berate anyone having > like experiences. Anyone can present a different viewpoint without > that, but someone looking to cut the other down chooses not to. I'm > surprised you can't see that. > > On Aug 8, 2:11 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> There's been a >> >> > cure for being stressed out and mildly depressed that humans have used for >> > a >> > thousand years. It's called three friends and a Pub. >> >> Ruba dub dub, three friends in a tub. I like it. Throw in some >> bourbon or a nice smooth scotch and I'll be right over. >> >> This discussion group is better then a soap opera. More drama then a >> Health Care Reform Bill town hall discussion. Maybe I'm a male >> chauvinist pig but I'm seeing a little Men are from Mars; Women are >> from Venus action going on here. I'm not surprised Molly is feeling a >> little picked on lately but I don't see any bad behavior from any >> moderators either. Sometimes those in authority seem to be bullying >> when they are being nothing of the sort simply because we know they >> have authority over us. I don't see any abuse here at all but that >> may be because I agree with Ian and Chris in this debate. >> >> I find it discombobulating when someone I respect deconstructs my >> beliefs or worse, shows ridicule for them. This doesn't make it their >> fault I'm so insecure. Sometimes, it makes me re-evaluate my beliefs. >> Sometimes it makes me re-evaluate my respect for my fellow >> interlocutor. Always I learn something. >> >> dj >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Chris Jenkins<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > What you saw on TV the other day was implicitly wrong. Prozan is an SSRI, >> > and has a specific and complex brain functionality. >> >> > Additionally, the citation you provided is cleverly styled to appear to be >> > the APA website, but by navigating to the root domain, we see that it is in >> > actuality a virulently anti-psych website: >> >> >http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/ >> >> > This tends to color their data a bit, no? >> >> > Here are some links to non-biased, peer reviewed studies at PubMed, the >> > general repository for scientific research in the US, directly addressing >> > the question of SSRI versus placebo. >> >> >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11405969?ordinalpos=1&itool=Entrez... >> >> >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19468281?ordinalpos=9&itool=Entrez... >> >> >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18922243?ordinalpos=25&itool=Entre... >> >> > Here's a great quote: >> >> > "In a 10-week randomised, double-blind trial in patients with panic >> > disorder, escitalopram (flexible doses 5-10 mg/d) was significantly more >> > effective than placebo in reducing the panic attack frequency, with a >> > faster >> > onset of action than citalopram." >> >> > In fact, in all the studies that I've seen where the efficacy of the >> > medication over placebo dropped to less than 30%, they were 'mild to >> > moderate' cases to begin with. >> >> > In other words, the Prozac didn't help much because there wasn't much of a >> > chemical problem there to help with. Those cases should have been referred >> > to psychologists, not psychiatrists. Blaming the medication for >> > not fixing a >> > problem that is not chemical in nature is downright silly. There's been a >> > cure for being stressed out and mildly depressed that humans have used for >> > a >> > thousand years. It's called three friends and a Pub. >> >> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:28 AM, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> I found this article that claims that the placebo effect accounts for >> >> 50% of the improvement in depressed patients taking anitdepressents, >> >> while only 27% is due to the actual drug. I also saw something on TV >> >> the other day stating that Prozac was basically a sugar coated >> >> placebo. This seems to support a lot of what Molly is saying. >> >> >>http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/1996-APA-placebo-vs-SSRI.htm > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
