" ... think something wonderful instead, ..." In process terms, I would see it as starting at Clarity : seeing the thing before us, as a fruit on one's palm, without it being embedded within us and defining us even as we are looking at it.
On Aug 13, 7:12 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree, Vam. Like fear, guilt and the more destructive emotions can > be simple signals to get us to give attention to something that we are > not seeing the life in, or judging to be less than, or diminishing us > in some way. By recognizing it as a signal to think something > wonderful instead, see the good in, redeem, we can leave the guilt > behind and move on to something more peaceful and compassionate. This > does not mean denying or ignoring. It means recognizing and > redeeming. > > On Aug 13, 10:07 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " ... one carefully analyze a situation before they start loading > > this demoralizing emotion onto their shoulders." > > > D, you're right, guilt is never desirable, even if apparently natural. > > But that's the way we are. The good news is that we are allowed, > > should try, and actually can be free of all guilt whatsoever. Guilt is > > there only for us to learn and change. There is no other value to it. > > > " For example, if your wife asks you if you think she is fat, how do > > you answer ?" > > > My answer is, and she knows : I see you just as you were the day I > > first saw you ! That would also be the truth. > > > On Aug 13, 3:57 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yes Vam, other peoples pain and suffering matter, but in my opinion, > > > this should not be felt as guilt, maybe compassion or empathy. In the > > > case of the doctor, it would be hard not to feel guilt if a mistake > > > caused suffering or death for the patient, so you are right to some > > > extent. Mistakes happen, and if it was because of sloppy work, > > > definately guilt should be felt, so you are right. > > > > Protecting someone from rape should not be considered gratuitous > > > violence, but taking the necessary actions to prevent suffering in > > > another. This is a good thing, and if violence is required, it should > > > be classified as a reactionary tool for protection and not reflective > > > of breaking ones own personal code of behaviour. > > > > Sometimes a lie is a good thing, since the truth often hurts. If this > > > is the case, the moral code of not intentionally hurting another > > > should override the code of not lying. These lies are referred to as > > > white lies, reflecting their lack of malice or "sin". For example, if > > > your wife asks you if you think she is fat, how do you answer? > > > > Yes, there seems to be some exceptions to every rule, so thanks for > > > pointing out my generalization. I still feel though, that many people > > > feel guilt for the wrong reasons, so I suggest that one carefully > > > analyze a situation before they start loading this demoralizing > > > emotion onto their shoulders. > > > > On Aug 13, 6:30 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " In my opinion, guilt should ONLY be felt is one has broken their own > > > > moral code. Mistakes in judgement should not be cause for guilt. > > > > Unintentionally hurting another should not be cause for guilt. Not > > > > going to church should not be cause for guilt." > > > > > D, there could be exceptions. I can break my moral code of non - > > > > violence, to prevent someone being raped. Or, I can tell a lie, to > > > > protect someone hiding in my house from being murdered. None of these > > > > may cause the least guilt in me. Similarly, a doctor may live with a > > > > deep sense of guilt everytime he passes by a suffering family, > > > > rendered miserable by the death of their protector and provider caused > > > > by his mistaken judgement. > > > > > The code is one's own : abide by or break it as often as one would, if > > > > it affects no one. But consequences, resulting in happiness or > > > > suffering to another / others, matter. > > > > > On Aug 13, 2:29 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > In my opinion, guilt should ONLY be felt is one has broken their own > > > > > moral code. Mistakes in judgement should not be cause for guilt. > > > > > Unintentionally hurting another should not be cause for guilt. Not > > > > > going to church should not be cause for guilt. Breaking a law that one > > > > > does not think is right should not be cause for guilt. > > > > > > If one develops a moral code, thus defining what they should and > > > > > should not do, and then proceeds to consciously do something that they > > > > > realize is against this code, the feelings of guilt should kick in. > > > > > They should not cause depression however, but should activate a strong > > > > > and determined motivation to repair any damage that may have been > > > > > done, and to reinforce the determination not to take this action ever > > > > > again. > > > > > > Once this is done, the guilt should go away. Guilt can be a heavy > > > > > burden to carry, but carrying the guilt instilled by others is > > > > > emotional suicide. Set high moral goals, try to achieve them, and work > > > > > hard to enforce them if the code is broken. Other than that, be > > > > > HAPPY! ;-} > > > > > > On Aug 12, 10:20 pm, Matthijs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sometimes a human feels remorse guild or regret because of some > > > > > > actions they took in life (including myself) In my line of work as a > > > > > > psychiatrist I am confronted with these emotions of mankind on a > > > > > > every > > > > > > day basis. One of all is the ability of humans to feel guild, for > > > > > > there whole life, it always integers me how depressions walk hand in > > > > > > hand with fear. I did some study in depressions and animals were > > > > > > showing the same depression reactions in stressful hopeless > > > > > > situations > > > > > > as humans as a way to survive. Nevertheless I was wondering what the > > > > > > functions are of these feelings and emotions for a human being in > > > > > > your > > > > > > visions. > > > > > > > Take a guess, > > > > > > Matthijs- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
