LOL you trickster!
On Aug 13, 10:07 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> " ... one carefully analyze a situation before they start loading
> this demoralizing emotion onto their shoulders."
>
> D, you're right, guilt is never desirable, even if apparently natural.
> But that's the way we are. The good news is that we are allowed,
> should try, and actually can be free of all guilt whatsoever. Guilt is
> there only for us to learn and change. There is no other value to it.
>
> " For example, if your wife asks you if you think she is fat, how do
> you answer ?"
>
> My answer is, and she knows : I see you just as you were the day I
> first saw you ! That would also be the truth.
>
> On Aug 13, 3:57 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
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>
> > Yes Vam, other peoples pain and suffering matter, but in my opinion,
> > this should not be felt as guilt, maybe compassion or empathy. In the
> > case of the doctor, it would be hard not to feel guilt if a mistake
> > caused suffering or death for the patient, so you are right to some
> > extent. Mistakes happen, and if it was because of sloppy work,
> > definately guilt should be felt, so you are right.
>
> > Protecting someone from rape should not be considered gratuitous
> > violence, but taking the necessary actions to prevent suffering in
> > another. This is a good thing, and if violence is required, it should
> > be classified as a reactionary tool for protection and not reflective
> > of breaking ones own personal code of behaviour.
>
> > Sometimes a lie is a good thing, since the truth often hurts. If this
> > is the case, the moral code of not intentionally hurting another
> > should override the code of not lying. These lies are referred to as
> > white lies, reflecting their lack of malice or "sin". For example, if
> > your wife asks you if you think she is fat, how do you answer?
>
> > Yes, there seems to be some exceptions to every rule, so thanks for
> > pointing out my generalization. I still feel though, that many people
> > feel guilt for the wrong reasons, so I suggest that one carefully
> > analyze a situation before they start loading this demoralizing
> > emotion onto their shoulders.
>
> > On Aug 13, 6:30 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > " In my opinion, guilt should ONLY be felt is one has broken their own
> > > moral code. Mistakes in judgement should not be cause for guilt.
> > > Unintentionally hurting another should not be cause for guilt. Not
> > > going to church should not be cause for guilt."
>
> > > D, there could be exceptions. I can break my moral code of non -
> > > violence, to prevent someone being raped. Or, I can tell a lie, to
> > > protect someone hiding in my house from being murdered. None of these
> > > may cause the least guilt in me. Similarly, a doctor may live with a
> > > deep sense of guilt everytime he passes by a suffering family,
> > > rendered miserable by the death of their protector and provider caused
> > > by his mistaken judgement.
>
> > > The code is one's own : abide by or break it as often as one would, if
> > > it affects no one. But consequences, resulting in happiness or
> > > suffering to another / others, matter.
>
> > > On Aug 13, 2:29 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > In my opinion, guilt should ONLY be felt is one has broken their own
> > > > moral code. Mistakes in judgement should not be cause for guilt.
> > > > Unintentionally hurting another should not be cause for guilt. Not
> > > > going to church should not be cause for guilt. Breaking a law that one
> > > > does not think is right should not be cause for guilt.
>
> > > > If one develops a moral code, thus defining what they should and
> > > > should not do, and then proceeds to consciously do something that they
> > > > realize is against this code, the feelings of guilt should kick in.
> > > > They should not cause depression however, but should activate a strong
> > > > and determined motivation to repair any damage that may have been
> > > > done, and to reinforce the determination not to take this action ever
> > > > again.
>
> > > > Once this is done, the guilt should go away. Guilt can be a heavy
> > > > burden to carry, but carrying the guilt instilled by others is
> > > > emotional suicide. Set high moral goals, try to achieve them, and work
> > > > hard to enforce them if the code is broken. Other than that, be
> > > > HAPPY! ;-}
>
> > > > On Aug 12, 10:20 pm, Matthijs <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > Sometimes a human feels remorse guild or regret because of some
> > > > > actions they took in life (including myself) In my line of work as a
> > > > > psychiatrist I am confronted with these emotions of mankind on a every
> > > > > day basis. One of all is the ability of humans to feel guild, for
> > > > > there whole life, it always integers me how depressions walk hand in
> > > > > hand with fear. I did some study in depressions and animals were
> > > > > showing the same depression reactions in stressful hopeless situations
> > > > > as humans as a way to survive. Nevertheless I was wondering what the
> > > > > functions are of these feelings and emotions for a human being in your
> > > > > visions.
>
> > > > > Take a guess,
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