Heh It never fails to supprise me the what people belive or do not.
Many years ago, okay about 8 or 9 years ago when I was fluffy bunny Pagan person, I worked countless times in the world of dreams with very real results, I do not pretend to understand how or why what worked did so, I just know it did. One tale I shall relate, and please feel free to disbelive me ;¬). One night I resolved myself to vist a dear freind in another part of the country, I had not spoken to her for a month or so, and was a tad worried for her health, she is now and was then suffering under the yoke of ME. So I visted her asteraly in the dream state(I have never got ahold of asteral travel any other way). She is one of the most remarkable pychics I have ever met, and the very next day she called me up to assure me that although very tired she was doing okay, and her silence had been due to organising a house move, and ohhh thanks for your visit last night Lee it was good to see you. Like I say, I really can't explain why things like this work, I only know that they do. Make of it what you will. On 17 Aug, 02:39, Darrel Farrel <[email protected]> wrote: > I think you both have real active imaginations > > > > > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:06:14 -0700 > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Quantum Dream Travel (revisited) > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > From what I've personally experienced, I believe it has occurred. I > > have traveled and experienced the quantum leap. I think it's hard for > > you to comprehend that it "is". > > Is OBE real or just some imaginary experience? It's fine to say that > > you had one but another to say that they are real experiences, other > > than that it is a nice speculation and nothing more. > > > On Aug 15, 6:48 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What I am asking is if this has ever been done. It's fine to say that > > > something CAN be done. It's another to say that it HAS been done. If > > > it hasn't been done, its a nice speculation and nothing more. > > > > On Aug 15, 6:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The lack of proof for the empiricist, lack of documentation, video or > > > > otherwise does not preclude the potential or the actual experience. > > > > What proof do you have of your OBE other than your claim? > > > > It's just like the extraterrestrial experience that remains mysterious > > > > and enigmatic. Who are we to deny alien abductions, OBE's or dream > > > > travel? > > > > > On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You're off the wall! hahaha ;-] > > > > > > On Aug 15, 1:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > “.. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that we can't in > > > > > > waking life. “ MB > > > > > > > So, Molly, you think that when one walks through a wall in a dream, > > > > > > they can do it in waking life too, correct? Or am I off base here? > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 5:25 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > teleportation and bi location are mystical traditions that do not > > > > > > > require dream. I don't think there is anything we do in dream > > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > can't in waking life. In dream, the boundaries of conscious > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > prevail, and if we depend on them, we are limited by them. The > > > > > > > research in past life regression of Dr. Brian Weiss has taken him > > > > > > > to a > > > > > > > place where he now proposes that at the soul level, we are > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > that is living, ever lived, will ever live...this is the oneness. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > think he is on to something here, and maybe your dreams of being > > > > > > > someone else are just a lifting of this veil, Slip. > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > D, > > > > > > > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for > > > > > > > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they > > > > > > > > represent > > > > > > > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was > > > > > > > > presenting, > > > > > > > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into another > > > > > > > > gear, > > > > > > > > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness. > > > > > > > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time or > > > > > > > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you > > > > > > > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily > > > > > > > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing > > > > > > > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an > > > > > > > > impending > > > > > > > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club and > > > > > > > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days > > > > > > > > later, what > > > > > > > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or state > > > > > > > > of well > > > > > > > > being? > > > > > > > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of > > > > > > > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not > > > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > in the conscious realm. > > > > > > > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are enjoying > > > > > > > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were you > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left and in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you > > > > > > > > physically > > > > > > > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan > > > > > > > > really you > > > > > > > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a > > > > > > > > party in > > > > > > > > Japan? > > > > > > > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think I'm > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, and > > > > > > > > > are a > > > > > > > > > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, brought > > > > > > > > > to life > > > > > > > > > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the > > > > > > > > > real state > > > > > > > > > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing. > > > > > > > > > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle contemplation > > > > > > > > > in that > > > > > > > > > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the "mood" > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be > > > > > > > > > bizarre > > > > > > > > > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in the > > > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > > seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is > > > > > > > > > the dream > > > > > > > > > happy, fearful, violent, etc.? > > > > > > > > > > As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or > > > > > > > > > parallel > > > > > > > > > universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the case > > > > > > > > > myself. > > > > > > > > > OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming > > > > > > > > > during an > > > > > > > > > OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination takes > > > > > > > > > them, but > > > > > > > > > I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt > > > > > > > > > disorientation, > > > > > > > > > or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream. > > > > > > > > > Interesting > > > > > > > > > idea though. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a memory > > > > > > > > > > of an old > > > > > > > > > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering the > > > > > > > > > > amount of > > > > > > > > > > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. > > > > > > > > > > It seems > > > > > > > > > > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I > > > > > > > > > > couldn't find any > > > > > > > > > > old threads. So......... > > > > > > > > > > > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams? > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am > > > > > > > > > > physically in > > > > > > > > > > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my > > > > > > > > > > subconscious > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > or if I am experiencing a consciousness in a parallel > > > > > > > > > > universe or > > > > > > > > > > within another dimension of our own universe, within our > > > > > > > > > > time or > > > > > > > > > > another time. Recently astronomers found a smaller version > > > > > > > > > > of our own > > > > > > > > > > solar system 5,000 light-years across the galaxy, this is > > > > > > > > > > the first > > > > > > > > > > planetary system that really > > > > > > > > > > looks like our own, with outer giant planets and room for > > > > > > > > > > smaller > > > > > > > > > > inner planets. Of course it is beyond our reach physically > > > > > > > > > > but what > > > > > > > > > > about our capacity to subconsciously travel through the > > > > > > > > > > hypothetical > > > > > > > > > > mesh of energy in quantum physics. These energy > > > > > > > > > > formulations present > > > > > > > > > > travel that exponentially exceeds the speed of light. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, I > > > > > > > > > > would hypothesize that the subconscious mind in the dream > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > possibly enters the zero-point field, traveling to another > > > > > > > > > > part of our > > > > > > > > > > universe, solar system or the next solar system. Possibly > > > > > > > > > > my dream > > > > > > > > > > could be taking place on the other side of the planet or > > > > > > > > > > the other > > > > > > > > > > side of the universe. Perhaps Krypton even {;-] > > > > > > > > > > > I find some degree of correlation with dreams and the > > > > > > > > > > concept of time > > > > > > > > > > travel which according to wikipedia is defined as the > > > > > > > > > > concept of > > > > > > > > > > moving between different moments in time in a manner > > > > > > > > > > analogous to > > > > > > > > > > moving between different points in space, either sending > > > > > > > > > > objects (or > > > > > > > > > > in some cases just information) backwards in time to a > > > > > > > > > > moment > > > > > > > > > > beforethe present, or sending objects forward from the > > > > > > > > > > present to the > > > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > without the need to experience the intervening period (at > > > > > > > > > > least not at > > > > > > > > > > the normal rate). Some interpretations of time travel also > > > > > > > > > > suggest > > > > > > > > > > that an attempt to travel backwards in time might take one > > > > > > > > > > to a > > > > > > > > > > parallel universe to diverge from the traveler's original > > > > > > > > > > history > > > > > > > > > > after the moment the traveler arrived in the past. > > > > > > > > > > Although time > > > > > > > > > > travel has been a common plot device in fiction since the > > > > > > > > > > 19th > > > > > > > > > > century, and one-way travel into the future is arguably > > > > > > > > > > possible given > > > > > > > > > > the phenomenon of time dilation based on velocity in the > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > special relativity (exemplified by the twin paradox) as > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > gravitational time dilation in the theory of general > > > > > > > > > > relativity, it is > > > > > > > > > > currently unknown whether the laws of physics would allow > > > > > > > > > > backwards > > > > > > > > > > time travel. 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