it was a compliment why are you being mean? > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:23:10 -0700 > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Quantum Dream Travel (revisited) > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Nothing wrong with an active imagination. It's actually a great > attribute to have. Without the imagination of others you wouldn't have > 99.999999999999999999% of the things you use on a daily basis. Maybe > more! Give it a shot some time, you might like it. ;-] > > Hey, at least you state that you think. I guess we will have to make > an opinion about this statement in the future since you haven't > displayed much thought so far. Think real hard and maybe you can come > up with something to offer the thread instead of one totally > irrelevant statement. Run along now son, getting your thinking cap > on! ;-] > > On Aug 16, 9:39 pm, Darrel Farrel <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think you both have real active imaginations > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:06:14 -0700 > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Quantum Dream Travel (revisited) > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > From what I've personally experienced, I believe it has occurred. I > > > have traveled and experienced the quantum leap. I think it's hard for > > > you to comprehend that it "is". > > > Is OBE real or just some imaginary experience? It's fine to say that > > > you had one but another to say that they are real experiences, other > > > than that it is a nice speculation and nothing more. > > > > > On Aug 15, 6:48 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What I am asking is if this has ever been done. It's fine to say that > > > > something CAN be done. It's another to say that it HAS been done. If > > > > it hasn't been done, its a nice speculation and nothing more. > > > > > > On Aug 15, 6:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The lack of proof for the empiricist, lack of documentation, video or > > > > > otherwise does not preclude the potential or the actual experience. > > > > > What proof do you have of your OBE other than your claim? > > > > > It's just like the extraterrestrial experience that remains mysterious > > > > > and enigmatic. Who are we to deny alien abductions, OBE's or dream > > > > > travel? > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You're off the wall! hahaha ;-] > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 1:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > “.. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that we can't > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > waking life. “ MB > > > > > > > > > So, Molly, you think that when one walks through a wall in a > > > > > > > dream, > > > > > > > they can do it in waking life too, correct? Or am I off base here? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 5:25 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > teleportation and bi location are mystical traditions that do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > require dream. I don't think there is anything we do in dream > > > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > can't in waking life. In dream, the boundaries of conscious > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > prevail, and if we depend on them, we are limited by them. The > > > > > > > > research in past life regression of Dr. Brian Weiss has taken > > > > > > > > him to a > > > > > > > > place where he now proposes that at the soul level, we are > > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > that is living, ever lived, will ever live...this is the > > > > > > > > oneness. I > > > > > > > > think he is on to something here, and maybe your dreams of being > > > > > > > > someone else are just a lifting of this veil, Slip. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > D, > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for > > > > > > > > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they > > > > > > > > > represent > > > > > > > > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was > > > > > > > > > presenting, > > > > > > > > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into > > > > > > > > > another gear, > > > > > > > > > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness. > > > > > > > > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you > > > > > > > > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily > > > > > > > > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing > > > > > > > > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an > > > > > > > > > impending > > > > > > > > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days > > > > > > > > > later, what > > > > > > > > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or > > > > > > > > > state of well > > > > > > > > > being? > > > > > > > > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of > > > > > > > > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not > > > > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > in the conscious realm. > > > > > > > > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are > > > > > > > > > enjoying > > > > > > > > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were > > > > > > > > > you really > > > > > > > > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left and > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you > > > > > > > > > physically > > > > > > > > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan > > > > > > > > > really you > > > > > > > > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a > > > > > > > > > party in > > > > > > > > > Japan? > > > > > > > > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think > > > > > > > > > I'm going > > > > > > > > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm > > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, > > > > > > > > > > and are a > > > > > > > > > > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, > > > > > > > > > > brought to life > > > > > > > > > > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the > > > > > > > > > > real state > > > > > > > > > > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle > > > > > > > > > > contemplation in that > > > > > > > > > > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the > > > > > > > > > > "mood" of the > > > > > > > > > > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be > > > > > > > > > > bizarre > > > > > > > > > > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in > > > > > > > > > > the dream > > > > > > > > > > seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is > > > > > > > > > > the dream > > > > > > > > > > happy, fearful, violent, etc.? > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or > > > > > > > > > > parallel > > > > > > > > > > universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the > > > > > > > > > > case myself. > > > > > > > > > > OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming > > > > > > > > > > during an > > > > > > > > > > OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination > > > > > > > > > > takes them, but > > > > > > > > > > I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt > > > > > > > > > > disorientation, > > > > > > > > > > or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting > > > > > > > > > > idea though. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a > > > > > > > > > > > memory of an old > > > > > > > > > > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering > > > > > > > > > > > the amount of > > > > > > > > > > > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. > > > > > > > > > > > It seems > > > > > > > > > > > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't find any > > > > > > > > > > > old threads. So......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am > > > > > > > > > > > physically in > > > > > > > > > > > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my > > > > > > > > > > > subconscious > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > or if I am experiencing a consciousness in a parallel > > > > > > > > > > > universe or > > > > > > > > > > > within another dimension of our own universe, within our > > > > > > > > > > > time or > > > > > > > > > > > another time. Recently astronomers found a smaller > > > > > > > > > > > version of our own > > > > > > > > > > > solar system 5,000 light-years across the galaxy, this is > > > > > > > > > > > the first > > > > > > > > > > > planetary system that really > > > > > > > > > > > looks like our own, with outer giant planets and room for > > > > > > > > > > > smaller > > > > > > > > > > > inner planets. Of course it is beyond our reach > > > > > > > > > > > physically but what > > > > > > > > > > > about our capacity to subconsciously travel through the > > > > > > > > > > > hypothetical > > > > > > > > > > > mesh of energy in quantum physics. These energy > > > > > > > > > > > formulations present > > > > > > > > > > > travel that exponentially exceeds the speed of light. > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, I > > > > > > > > > > > would hypothesize that the subconscious mind in the dream > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > possibly enters the zero-point field, traveling to > > > > > > > > > > > another part of our > > > > > > > > > > > universe, solar system or the next solar system. > > > > > > > > > > > Possibly my dream > > > > > > > > > > > could be taking place on the other side of the planet or > > > > > > > > > > > the other > > > > > > > > > > > side of the universe. Perhaps Krypton even {;-] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find some degree of correlation with dreams and the > > > > > > > > > > > concept of time > > > > > > > > > > > travel which according to wikipedia is defined as the > > > > > > > > > > > concept of > > > > > > > > > > > moving between different moments in time in a manner > > > > > > > > > > > analogous to > > > > > > > > > > > moving between different points in space, either sending > > > > > > > > > > > objects (or > > > > > > > > > > > in some cases just information) backwards in time to a > > > > > > > > > > > moment > > > > > > > > > > > beforethe present, or sending objects forward from the > > > > > > > > > > > present to the > > > > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > without the need to experience the intervening period (at > > > > > > > > > > > least not at > > > > > > > > > > > the normal rate). Some interpretations of time travel > > > > > > > > > > > also suggest > > > > > > > > > > > that an attempt to travel backwards in time might take > > > > > > > > > > > one to a > > > > > > > > > > > parallel universe to diverge from the traveler's original > > > > > > > > > > > history > > > > > > > > > > > after the moment the traveler arrived in the past. > > > > > > > > > > > Although time > > > > > > > > > > > travel has been a common plot device in fiction since the > > > > > > > > > > > 19th > > > > > > > > > > > century, and one-way travel into the future is arguably > > > > > > > > > > > possible given > > > > > > > > > > > the phenomenon of time dilation based on velocity in the > > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > special relativity (exemplified by the twin paradox) as > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > gravitational time dilation in the theory of general > > > > > > > > > > > relativity, it is > > > > > > > > > > > currently unknown whether the laws of physics would allow > > > > > > > > > > > backwards > > > > > > > > > > > time travel. Any technological device, whether fictional > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > hypothetical, that is used to achieve two-way time travel > > > > > > > > > > > is known as > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > >
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