All the people that I shared dreams with were people that I am very close to in life. I have never shared a dream with a stranger. I have many times had dreams with people in them that I meet a day or two later, but in those cases, how do you know that suggestibility isn't at play - that these people remind. With dreams, there is no going back for verification. But it does happen to me, and I take it as more of a premonition. I have never had someone like this tell me they dreamt of me, and I have never asked. This stuff, for me, is all highly personal, and I wouldn't dream of asking a stranger about it. But that is just me. I don't need to "prove" it to myself.
On Aug 16, 12:16 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > Did you know the people you were communicating with before, or did you > meet them in your "dream"? I don't really understand the second last > sentence of your post. > > On Aug 16, 9:52 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > If two people met and communicated during their "dreams", they could > > share contact information, and then pick up where they left off when > > awake." > > > Yes, this has happened to me several times with different people and > > verified in person or via telephone afterward. The interesting thing > > for me was, that although the dreams were basically the same for both, > > same setting, same action, same people - there was a point of view of > > what was occurring that was different each time. Fascinating stuff. > > > On Aug 16, 9:08 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > If two people met and communicated during their "dreams", they could > > > share contact information, and then pick up where they left off when > > > awake. I am simply asking the question if this has ever happened. That > > > would be proof enough for me that these events can happen and really, > > > it should be a simple way of proving that this neat thing does in fact > > > exist. This is in no way similar to proving an OBE for example, at > > > least in my experience, which did not include anything to do with > > > human life, let alone talking about specific things with a specific > > > person. > > > > I am not closing my mind to the chance that what Slip is bringing up > > > could exist. I hope it does, as it would certainly save on some > > > expensive phone bills. ;-] Proving it seems like an easy thing to do > > > based on what has been put forth. I have asked some rather simple > > > questions about it, and am waiting for the answers. > > > > On Aug 16, 8:32 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The trouble with knowing what the mystics know is - the mystics > > > > understand that everyone must come to this experience on their own, > > > > and once they are genuinely open to the possibility (and I am not > > > > talking about wanting to know what someone else knows so that they can > > > > shoot it down from their perspective), the information will come to > > > > you, and your experience will occur. This is the mystical tradition. > > > > They do not bother to provide proof, because they understand that it > > > > is an individual, internal process that allows the experience. > > > > > The trouble with knowing what science knows about bi location and tele- > > > > portation, is that attempts to produce these mechanically have failed > > > > disastrously like the US Philadelphia Experiment, where the gov. > > > > scientists attempted to create a space time vortex and move a battle > > > > ship from Hawaii to New York. Since then, the US government has > > > > quashed any open experimentation along these lines, although Nickolai > > > > Teslahttp://www.teslasociety.com/biography.htmexperimentedwithit > > > > for many years, and some of his students and their students > > > > continuehttp://www.projectcamelot.org/ralph_ring.html > > > > > Because the study of dreams is more psychology based, you will be hard > > > > pressed to find any "proofs" as psychology is not hard science. But > > > > you can easily find accounts of folks who believe they share dreams on > > > > the internet. I myself have done it, and again, I think if you are > > > > genuinely open to the possibility, it may just happen for you too. > > > > > On Aug 15, 1:30 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Is there documented proof that this potential exists? > > > > > > On Aug 15, 11:14 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, interaction with real people, physical contact all inclusive of > > > > > > feelings, touching, pain. Not a visual within an obscurity setting > > > > > > but a physical reality of being at a place, standing on the floor > > > > > > knowing you are somewhere else and awareness of the dream. There > > > > > > was > > > > > > a great aspect of this that Pat had brought up in the original > > > > > > thread, that one could possibly within a dream, write a note and > > > > > > place > > > > > > it in a drawer and another could in a dream go to that drawer and > > > > > > find > > > > > > the note, call the other and reveal the contents of the note. > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 9:55 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > When you say, "interact with others", do you mean real people? If > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > how do you know they are real and not just a face that you are > > > > > > > communicating with in your dream? Also, if they are real, could > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > exchange contact information and then meet with them? > > > > > > > > When I said dreams are sort of like imagination, I meant more like > > > > > > > idle contemplation, where incidents follow the lead of the mind, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > is roaming. If you construct a dream, follow an agenda within it, > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > things in a precisely thought out manner, then that is a level of > > > > > > > dreamland that I have never acheived. If you have, I think that's > > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > > Although I have learned to acheive some level of control in my > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > state, it is not nearly as precise as this. I have no real > > > > > > > interest in > > > > > > > having my dreams resemble a totally conscious state, where I am > > > > > > > planning something, and then executing it. I enjoy idle > > > > > > > contemplation, > > > > > > > and like to be led where my freely roaming mind wants to take me. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > other words, I don't want to work in my dreams, I want to be > > > > > > > entertained, take whats around the corner and deal with it > > > > > > > instinctively. > > > > > > > > I want my dreams to be free flowing and reactionary when required. > > > > > > > There is enough concentrated effort in my daily life, and I want > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > part of that in my night life. I actually prefer dreams where > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > are no other people to communicate with, or maybe just one that I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > sharing something special with. > > > > > > > > Lucid dreams may be something like OBE's but I experienced them > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > sleep. Actually dealing with another person on a particular issue > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > dream state is something that I do not aspire to. Communication > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > another human has never been part of my OBE's and doing so while > > > > > > > sleeping is also nothing that I gravitate toward. > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 10:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You may have a different level of dreaming, you are analyzing > > > > > > > > dreams > > > > > > > > on the conscious rational level and therefore seem to allude to > > > > > > > > imagination. Of course we could sit and imagine but that is > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > level and not consistent with REM sleep modes. While it is > > > > > > > > true that > > > > > > > > many dreams are simple constructs of inner psychological > > > > > > > > fragments, > > > > > > > > there is another level of dreaming, one that takes me (one for > > > > > > > > sure) > > > > > > > > to other places where I interact with others in what seems to > > > > > > > > be a > > > > > > > > real time conscious event. Upon wakening I know that it was > > > > > > > > not just > > > > > > > > an ordinary dream. I can have 50 dreams in a month but few > > > > > > > > will be at > > > > > > > > the extreme level. > > > > > > > > A re-read of the op, specifically to the reference to Taggarts > > > > > > > > cosmos > > > > > > > > correlation and of course the Weiss reseach that Molly has > > > > > > > > added, the > > > > > > > > Einstein theories, the discoveries of numerous parallel > > > > > > > > universes, and > > > > > > > > myriad other cosmological phenomena may indeed allow for a more > > > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > view beyond the mundane physical sense. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 5:13 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You may be partying in Japan, but to me, this is the same as > > > > > > > > > imagining > > > > > > > > > you are on a tropical island when you are actually ensconsed > > > > > > > > > in a snow > > > > > > > > > storm in the Arctic. The imagination is not constrained by > > > > > > > > > time/space > > > > > > > > > and is free to put ones mind in any "place" it wants to be. > > > > > > > > > Are you > > > > > > > > > really "there"? Not physically but, like spirit, imagination > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > everywhere and does not reside in any place, although it > > > > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > > > originate from ones "mind". > > > > > > > > > > I believe dreams are similar to imagination, but the events > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > dream happen because of recent thought, maybe something you > > > > > > > > > read or > > > > > > > > > saw on TV. They can also be reflective of an emotional > > > > > > > > > experience, a > > > > > > > > > perceived threat, or whatever. To me, dreams are almost like > > > > > > > > > meditiation. Once the mind is free from conscious thought, it > > > > > > > > > is freed > > > > > > > > > up to go in any direction it wants. This is when true fears > > > > > > > > > or joy > > > > > > > > > freely express themselves, often mixed with a cornucopia of > > > > > > > > > items that > > > > > > > > > are part of ones daily life. > > > > > > > > > > I learned long ago to initiate flying dreams by thinking about > > > > > > > > > certaiin things while lying in bed before sleep. This did not > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > work, but then I learned to be able to pick up a dream if > > > > > > > > > woken up > > > > > > > > > during it. I think this may be the kindergarten steps of lucid > > > > > > > > > dreaming. My OBE's were not lucid dreams because I was still > > > > > > > > > awake, at > > > > > > > > > least I thought I was! > > > > > > > > > > When flying, I cruise around but am never really cognizant of > > > > > > > > > being in > > > > > > > > > a specific location. I enjoy the thrill of flying and > > > > > > > > > convincing > > > > > > > > > others that they too can fly if they trust their ability to > > > > > > > > > do such. > > > > > > > > > When I am flying through the air, my body is lying in the > > > > > > > > > bed. I do > > > > > > > > > not think of this as travelling. > > > > > > > > > > I guess I don't fully understand the "quantum dream travel > > > > > > > > > concept". > > > > > > > > > It > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
