You're right. The conversation is going nowhere, and I too noticed the familiar tone of it. I don't know why you would have to "spend several billion dollars traipsing the globe looking for the people and places in my dreams so that I could answer your simple questions", when you could just call them after you exchanged phone numbers in your dreams? I am also growing weary of stating that I am not "negating the concept". Anyway, it is getting to be a bit of a yawner, so lets move on shall we? ;-]
On Aug 16, 11:36 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > I didn't say that your experience didn't happen, but you didn't say > for a fact that it did. You say you believe that it did.<< Derip > > This is quite the waste of energy and I'm not going to waste time with > this tinkian style approach to discourse. I'm sensing that my line of > thought is somehow obtuse for you. I guess you think I should spend > several billion dollars traipsing the globe looking for the people and > places in my dreams so that I could answer your simple questions. > This should be obvious to you in the first place as pre-consideration > of asking and though Molly confirms that aspect of dreaming, the lack > of that confirmation does not negate the concept. If there is anyone > who has shared similar dream experience it would have to be Molly. > Secondly if you would have absorbed the information in the op you > would see that I'm presenting several aspects of dreaming. It is not > to be construed that all my dreams are me in the dream. I pointed out > that I may be sharing the consciousness/subconsciousness of another > person and in that mode of dreaming I am seeing through that person's > eyes, hearing what that person is hearing and sharing the experience. > This aspect brings up many questions of course with regard to the > collective unconsciousness/subconsciousness. > > On Aug 16, 8:08 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > If two people met and communicated during their "dreams", they could > > share contact information, and then pick up where they left off when > > awake. I am simply asking the question if this has ever happened. That > > would be proof enough for me that these events can happen and really, > > it should be a simple way of proving that this neat thing does in fact > > exist. This is in no way similar to proving an OBE for example, at > > least in my experience, which did not include anything to do with > > human life, let alone talking about specific things with a specific > > person. > > > I am not closing my mind to the chance that what Slip is bringing up > > could exist. I hope it does, as it would certainly save on some > > expensive phone bills. ;-] Proving it seems like an easy thing to do > > based on what has been put forth. I have asked some rather simple > > questions about it, and am waiting for the answers. > > > On Aug 16, 8:32 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The trouble with knowing what the mystics know is - the mystics > > > understand that everyone must come to this experience on their own, > > > and once they are genuinely open to the possibility (and I am not > > > talking about wanting to know what someone else knows so that they can > > > shoot it down from their perspective), the information will come to > > > you, and your experience will occur. This is the mystical tradition. > > > They do not bother to provide proof, because they understand that it > > > is an individual, internal process that allows the experience. > > > > The trouble with knowing what science knows about bi location and tele- > > > portation, is that attempts to produce these mechanically have failed > > > disastrously like the US Philadelphia Experiment, where the gov. > > > scientists attempted to create a space time vortex and move a battle > > > ship from Hawaii to New York. Since then, the US government has > > > quashed any open experimentation along these lines, although Nickolai > > > Teslahttp://www.teslasociety.com/biography.htmexperimentedwithit > > > for many years, and some of his students and their students > > > continuehttp://www.projectcamelot.org/ralph_ring.html > > > > Because the study of dreams is more psychology based, you will be hard > > > pressed to find any "proofs" as psychology is not hard science. But > > > you can easily find accounts of folks who believe they share dreams on > > > the internet. I myself have done it, and again, I think if you are > > > genuinely open to the possibility, it may just happen for you too. > > > > On Aug 15, 1:30 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Is there documented proof that this potential exists? > > > > > On Aug 15, 11:14 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, interaction with real people, physical contact all inclusive of > > > > > feelings, touching, pain. Not a visual within an obscurity setting > > > > > but a physical reality of being at a place, standing on the floor > > > > > knowing you are somewhere else and awareness of the dream. There was > > > > > a great aspect of this that Pat had brought up in the original > > > > > thread, that one could possibly within a dream, write a note and place > > > > > it in a drawer and another could in a dream go to that drawer and find > > > > > the note, call the other and reveal the contents of the note. > > > > > > On Aug 15, 9:55 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > When you say, "interact with others", do you mean real people? If > > > > > > so, > > > > > > how do you know they are real and not just a face that you are > > > > > > communicating with in your dream? Also, if they are real, could you > > > > > > exchange contact information and then meet with them? > > > > > > > When I said dreams are sort of like imagination, I meant more like > > > > > > idle contemplation, where incidents follow the lead of the mind, > > > > > > which > > > > > > is roaming. If you construct a dream, follow an agenda within it, do > > > > > > things in a precisely thought out manner, then that is a level of > > > > > > dreamland that I have never acheived. If you have, I think that's > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > Although I have learned to acheive some level of control in my dream > > > > > > state, it is not nearly as precise as this. I have no real interest > > > > > > in > > > > > > having my dreams resemble a totally conscious state, where I am > > > > > > planning something, and then executing it. I enjoy idle > > > > > > contemplation, > > > > > > and like to be led where my freely roaming mind wants to take me. In > > > > > > other words, I don't want to work in my dreams, I want to be > > > > > > entertained, take whats around the corner and deal with it > > > > > > instinctively. > > > > > > > I want my dreams to be free flowing and reactionary when required. > > > > > > There is enough concentrated effort in my daily life, and I want no > > > > > > part of that in my night life. I actually prefer dreams where there > > > > > > are no other people to communicate with, or maybe just one that I am > > > > > > sharing something special with. > > > > > > > Lucid dreams may be something like OBE's but I experienced them > > > > > > before > > > > > > sleep. Actually dealing with another person on a particular issue > > > > > > in a > > > > > > dream state is something that I do not aspire to. Communication with > > > > > > another human has never been part of my OBE's and doing so while > > > > > > sleeping is also nothing that I gravitate toward. > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 10:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You may have a different level of dreaming, you are analyzing > > > > > > > dreams > > > > > > > on the conscious rational level and therefore seem to allude to > > > > > > > imagination. Of course we could sit and imagine but that is > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > level and not consistent with REM sleep modes. While it is true > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > many dreams are simple constructs of inner psychological > > > > > > > fragments, > > > > > > > there is another level of dreaming, one that takes me (one for > > > > > > > sure) > > > > > > > to other places where I interact with others in what seems to be a > > > > > > > real time conscious event. Upon wakening I know that it was not > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > an ordinary dream. I can have 50 dreams in a month but few will > > > > > > > be at > > > > > > > the extreme level. > > > > > > > A re-read of the op, specifically to the reference to Taggarts > > > > > > > cosmos > > > > > > > correlation and of course the Weiss reseach that Molly has added, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Einstein theories, the discoveries of numerous parallel > > > > > > > universes, and > > > > > > > myriad other cosmological phenomena may indeed allow for a more > > > > > > > open > > > > > > > view beyond the mundane physical sense. > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 5:13 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You may be partying in Japan, but to me, this is the same as > > > > > > > > imagining > > > > > > > > you are on a tropical island when you are actually ensconsed in > > > > > > > > a snow > > > > > > > > storm in the Arctic. The imagination is not constrained by > > > > > > > > time/space > > > > > > > > and is free to put ones mind in any "place" it wants to be. Are > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > really "there"? Not physically but, like spirit, imagination is > > > > > > > > everywhere and does not reside in any place, although it seems > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > originate from ones "mind". > > > > > > > > > I believe dreams are similar to imagination, but the events of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > dream happen because of recent thought, maybe something you > > > > > > > > read or > > > > > > > > saw on TV. They can also be reflective of an emotional > > > > > > > > experience, a > > > > > > > > perceived threat, or whatever. To me, dreams are almost like > > > > > > > > meditiation. Once the mind is free from conscious thought, it > > > > > > > > is freed > > > > > > > > up to go in any direction it wants. This is when true fears or > > > > > > > > joy > > > > > > > > freely express themselves, often mixed with a cornucopia of > > > > > > > > items that > > > > > > > > are part of ones daily life. > > > > > > > > > I learned long ago to initiate flying dreams by thinking about > > > > > > > > certaiin things while lying in bed before sleep. This did not > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > work, but then I learned to be able to pick up a dream if woken > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > during it. I think this may be the kindergarten steps of lucid > > > > > > > > dreaming. My OBE's were not lucid dreams because I was still > > > > > > > > awake, at > > > > > > > > least I thought I was! > > > > > > > > > When flying, I cruise around but am never really cognizant of > > > > > > > > being in > > > > > > > > a specific location. 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