Dreams can be spontaneous, without intent without control. If I have a dream and I am on foreign soil most likely I'm already involved in some exchange and not thinking about getting their phone number so I could prove that I was there. Some dreams only last for a few minutes. I've shared some of my dreams in the original thread which went much better as far as the participation went. I can't decide what my dreams will be tonight nor where they will take me. I do have several dreams every night, some more intense than others and some longer than others.
On Aug 16, 11:48 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > you could just call them after you exchanged phone numbers in your > dreams? <<derip > > You seem to be missing some Key elements and thereby over simplifying > it. I'll have to expand on it later. > > On Aug 16, 11:24 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You're right. The conversation is going nowhere, and I too noticed the > > familiar tone of it. I don't know why you would have to "spend several > > billion dollars traipsing the globe looking for the people and places > > in my dreams so that I could answer your simple questions", when you > > could just call them after you exchanged phone numbers in your dreams? > > I am also growing weary of stating that I am not "negating the > > concept". Anyway, it is getting to be a bit of a yawner, so lets move > > on shall we? ;-] > > > On Aug 16, 11:36 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I didn't say that your experience didn't happen, but you didn't say > > > for a fact that it did. You say you believe that it did.<< Derip > > > > This is quite the waste of energy and I'm not going to waste time with > > > this tinkian style approach to discourse. I'm sensing that my line of > > > thought is somehow obtuse for you. I guess you think I should spend > > > several billion dollars traipsing the globe looking for the people and > > > places in my dreams so that I could answer your simple questions. > > > This should be obvious to you in the first place as pre-consideration > > > of asking and though Molly confirms that aspect of dreaming, the lack > > > of that confirmation does not negate the concept. If there is anyone > > > who has shared similar dream experience it would have to be Molly. > > > Secondly if you would have absorbed the information in the op you > > > would see that I'm presenting several aspects of dreaming. It is not > > > to be construed that all my dreams are me in the dream. I pointed out > > > that I may be sharing the consciousness/subconsciousness of another > > > person and in that mode of dreaming I am seeing through that person's > > > eyes, hearing what that person is hearing and sharing the experience. > > > This aspect brings up many questions of course with regard to the > > > collective unconsciousness/subconsciousness. > > > > On Aug 16, 8:08 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > If two people met and communicated during their "dreams", they could > > > > share contact information, and then pick up where they left off when > > > > awake. I am simply asking the question if this has ever happened. That > > > > would be proof enough for me that these events can happen and really, > > > > it should be a simple way of proving that this neat thing does in fact > > > > exist. This is in no way similar to proving an OBE for example, at > > > > least in my experience, which did not include anything to do with > > > > human life, let alone talking about specific things with a specific > > > > person. > > > > > I am not closing my mind to the chance that what Slip is bringing up > > > > could exist. I hope it does, as it would certainly save on some > > > > expensive phone bills. ;-] Proving it seems like an easy thing to do > > > > based on what has been put forth. I have asked some rather simple > > > > questions about it, and am waiting for the answers. > > > > > On Aug 16, 8:32 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The trouble with knowing what the mystics know is - the mystics > > > > > understand that everyone must come to this experience on their own, > > > > > and once they are genuinely open to the possibility (and I am not > > > > > talking about wanting to know what someone else knows so that they can > > > > > shoot it down from their perspective), the information will come to > > > > > you, and your experience will occur. This is the mystical tradition. > > > > > They do not bother to provide proof, because they understand that it > > > > > is an individual, internal process that allows the experience. > > > > > > The trouble with knowing what science knows about bi location and > > > > > tele- > > > > > portation, is that attempts to produce these mechanically have failed > > > > > disastrously like the US Philadelphia Experiment, where the gov. > > > > > scientists attempted to create a space time vortex and move a battle > > > > > ship from Hawaii to New York. Since then, the US government has > > > > > quashed any open experimentation along these lines, although Nickolai > > > > > Teslahttp://www.teslasociety.com/biography.htmexperimentedwithit > > > > > for many years, and some of his students and their students > > > > > continuehttp://www.projectcamelot.org/ralph_ring.html > > > > > > Because the study of dreams is more psychology based, you will be hard > > > > > pressed to find any "proofs" as psychology is not hard science. But > > > > > you can easily find accounts of folks who believe they share dreams on > > > > > the internet. I myself have done it, and again, I think if you are > > > > > genuinely open to the possibility, it may just happen for you too. > > > > > > On Aug 15, 1:30 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Is there documented proof that this potential exists? > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 11:14 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, interaction with real people, physical contact all inclusive > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > feelings, touching, pain. Not a visual within an obscurity > > > > > > > setting > > > > > > > but a physical reality of being at a place, standing on the floor > > > > > > > knowing you are somewhere else and awareness of the dream. There > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > a great aspect of this that Pat had brought up in the original > > > > > > > thread, that one could possibly within a dream, write a note and > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > it in a drawer and another could in a dream go to that drawer and > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > the note, call the other and reveal the contents of the note. > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 9:55 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > When you say, "interact with others", do you mean real people? > > > > > > > > If so, > > > > > > > > how do you know they are real and not just a face that you are > > > > > > > > communicating with in your dream? Also, if they are real, could > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > exchange contact information and then meet with them? > > > > > > > > > When I said dreams are sort of like imagination, I meant more > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > idle contemplation, where incidents follow the lead of the > > > > > > > > mind, which > > > > > > > > is roaming. If you construct a dream, follow an agenda within > > > > > > > > it, do > > > > > > > > things in a precisely thought out manner, then that is a level > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > dreamland that I have never acheived. If you have, I think > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > > > Although I have learned to acheive some level of control in my > > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > state, it is not nearly as precise as this. I have no real > > > > > > > > interest in > > > > > > > > having my dreams resemble a totally conscious state, where I am > > > > > > > > planning something, and then executing it. I enjoy idle > > > > > > > > contemplation, > > > > > > > > and like to be led where my freely roaming mind wants to take > > > > > > > > me. In > > > > > > > > other words, I don't want to work in my dreams, I want to be > > > > > > > > entertained, take whats around the corner and deal with it > > > > > > > > instinctively. > > > > > > > > > I want my dreams to be free flowing and reactionary when > > > > > > > > required. > > > > > > > > There is enough concentrated effort in my daily life, and I > > > > > > > > want no > > > > > > > > part of that in my night life. I actually prefer dreams where > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are no other people to communicate with, or maybe just one that > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > sharing something special with. > > > > > > > > > Lucid dreams may be something like OBE's but I experienced them > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > sleep. Actually dealing with another person on a particular > > > > > > > > issue in a > > > > > > > > dream state is something that I do not aspire to. Communication > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > another human has never been part of my OBE's and doing so while > > > > > > > > sleeping is also nothing that I gravitate toward. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 10:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You may have a different level of dreaming, you are analyzing > > > > > > > > > dreams > > > > > > > > > on the conscious rational level and therefore seem to allude > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > imagination. Of course we could sit and imagine but that is > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > level and not consistent with REM sleep modes. While it is > > > > > > > > > true that > > > > > > > > > many dreams are simple constructs of inner psychological > > > > > > > > > fragments, > > > > > > > > > there is another level of dreaming, one that takes me (one > > > > > > > > > for sure) > > > > > > > > > to other places where I interact with others in what seems to > > > > > > > > > be a > > > > > > > > > real time conscious event. Upon wakening I know that it was > > > > > > > > > not just > > > > > > > > > an ordinary dream. I can have 50 dreams in a month but few > > > > > > > > > will be at > > > > > > > > > the extreme level. > > > > > > > > > A re-read of the op, specifically to the reference to > > > > > > > > > Taggarts cosmos > > > > > > > > > correlation and of course the Weiss reseach that Molly has > > > > > > > > > added, the > > > > > > > > > Einstein theories, the discoveries of numerous parallel > > > > > > > > > universes, and > > > > > > > > > myriad other cosmological phenomena may indeed allow for a > > > > > > > > > more open > > > > > > > > > view beyond the mundane physical sense. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 5:13 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You may be partying in Japan, but to me, this is the same > > > > > > > > > > as imagining > > > > > > > > > > you are on a tropical island when you are actually > > > > > > > > > > ensconsed in a snow > > > > > > > > > > storm in the Arctic. The imagination is not constrained by > > > > > > > > > > time/space > > > > > > > > > > and is free to put ones mind in any "place" it wants to be. > > > > > > > > > > Are you > > > > > > > > > > really "there"? Not physically but, like spirit, > > > > > > > > > > imagination is > > > > > > > > > > everywhere and does not reside in any place, > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
